War diaries of 233, 235 and 333 Anti-Tank Battery RA

Discussion in 'Royal Artillery' started by Nijmegen, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    I just can't find them in the National Archives.

    Does anybody know where to find them, if at all?

    They all three belonged to 43 Division.
     
  2. Owen

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  3. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    Ok, :) I suspect that is because you know that that they belonged to this regiment?
     
  4. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    I only have the 59 AT War Diary for 1944. 233, 235, 236 & 333 Batteries under command. What do you need to know?

    Not every battery wrote their own diary.
     
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  5. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    Ramacal,

    I would very much want to know what was written on 20-26 September 1944. Especially 25 September.

    Thanks Owen!
     
  6. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    They don't tell you a great deal.

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    Cheers - Rob
     
  7. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    Thanks Ramacal!

    On 25 September, 333 Battery "accidently" blew up a stationary ammunition train, near Arnhem. Would have been nice to hear their side of the story. Do you know if other documents then war diary in Kew could tell more?
     
  8. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    If I had more information, I would have gladly posted it. A number of RA war diaries are full of information, some hardly any at all. 59 AT are one of the latter.
     
  9. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake All over the place....

    War diaries report the activities of the unit and the sub units under command. The sub units of the Anti Tank Regiments were often detached to support individual brigades. This might mean that their activities might be included in both the brigade and Atk Regt war diaries - or in neither. When the latter occurred they could be ignored by the history books. See the story of the anti-tank gunners who supported the DLI in St Pierre http://www.theobservationpost.com/blog/?p=132

    The battery war diaries may be in the Firepower archive
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    From the 43rd Div history for 25th Sept 44.
    I'd look in 5DCLI war diary for further info.
     

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  11. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

     
  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    No the RA Museum
    http://www.firepower.org.uk/
     
  13. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    If they are not at the National Archives, they won't be at the Firepower Museum. I've asked these questions of them before.
     
  14. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    Its incredibly hit and miss with Company, Battery and Squadron War Diaries. When I was at Bovvy they said they had approximately 1/15 of the Squadron War Diaries. Since then I found copies in Brigade level War Diaries, and a friend has even found a Company War Diary tucked away in a family file in a County Archive...

    So they may well be out there if you luck out with Firepower, treat them as a great bonus, not the crux to rely on.
     
  15. greb1940

    greb1940 Member

    reading the coments , qwestion , was the 59 AA reg also defending the brides of Nijmegen .??

    Rob .
     
  16. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    Greb1940,

    Do you mean an Anti-Aircraft or Anti-Tank Regiment, as there were no units titled 59 AA in 1944. They were either a Heavy or Light AA Regiment.

    59 HAA & 59 LAA Regiments were not in North West Europe. However, if you mean 59 Anti-Tank Regt, they were the 43rd Division A/T unit at this time and were deployed in Nijmegen, but the war diary is not specific about being at the bridge.
     

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  17. Ian Brandt

    Ian Brandt New Member

    Do you also have these for June to December? My grandfathers memoirs have recently come to light who served in the 235th and it wpould be good to cross reference with the war diaries
     
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