Wellington MF 399 lost 10-11 July 1944 Italy

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  1. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello everyone,

    I am still researching the dead buried in Milan War Cemetery and have noted that the crew listed from the above bomber from 40 Squadron, which crashed on the night of 10-11 July near Mediglia south of Milan, does not include the pilot, though locals reported seven casualties.
    In collective grave VI. E. nos. 11-15 there are the remains of:

    1013219 Arthur J. Ellworthy Air gunner
    1399182 Albert H. Mabey Navigator
    1567889 Andrew McKenzie Wireless Operator/Air Gunner
    1494140 Alan Ross Sergeant/Air bomber
    1804807 Norman Walters Sergeant

    Where would I find the name of the pilot and the other crew member?
    Thanks in anticipation,

    Vitellino
     
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  3. bofors

    bofors Senior Member

    Hi

    I found this - Roll of Honour - Norfolk - Gaywood (roll-of-honour.com) - it says he was a pilot?
    Looking at CWGC -
    Name, Rank & Service No.
    Unit, Regiment, Country of Service
    Date of Death
    Commemorated at

    NORMAN WALTERS
    Sergeant
    Service Number: 1804807
    40 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    United Kingdom
    Died 11 July 1944
    20 years old
    MILAN WAR CEMETERY
    Coll. grave VI. E. 11-15.
    Italy
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    ANDREW McKENZIE
    Sergeant
    Service Number: 1567889
    40 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    United Kingdom
    Died 11 July 1944
    22 years old
    MILAN WAR CEMETERY
    Coll. grave VI. E. 11-15.
    Italy
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    WILLIAM JAMES HOSKING
    Aircraftman 1st Class
    Service Number: 1158887

    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    United Kingdom
    Died 11 July 1944
    24 years old
    BARI WAR CEMETERY
    XV. D. 15.
    Italy
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    ARTHUR JAMES ELWORTHY
    Sergeant
    Service Number: 1013219
    40 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    United Kingdom
    Died 11 July 1944
    20 years old
    MILAN WAR CEMETERY
    Coll. grave VI. E. 11-15.
    Italy
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    ALBERT HORACE MABEY
    Sergeant
    Service Number: 1399182
    40 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    United Kingdom
    Died 11 July 1944
    35 years old
    MILAN WAR CEMETERY
    Coll. grave VI. E. 11-15.
    Italy
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    ALAN ROSS
    Sergeant
    Service Number: 1494140
    40 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    United Kingdom
    Died 11 July 1944
    22 years old
    MILAN WAR CEMETERY
    Coll. grave VI. E. 11-15.
    Italy
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    CHARLES TREVOR RANSOM
    Corporal
    Service Number: 1194662

    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    United Kingdom
    Died 11 July 1944
    BOLSENA WAR CEMETERY
    I, H, 11.
    Italy


    regards

    Robert
     
  4. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Thanks a lot to both of you.

    That would seem to resolve the problem

    Possibly the locals got the number of casualties wrong.

    However, I do have another question. How usual was it for a sergent to be the pilot of an aircraft? Also, should CWGC be informed that Norman Walters was the pilot?

    Vitellino
     
  5. Andreas

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  6. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

    How usual was it for a sergent to be the pilot of an aircraft

    Reasonably - from Aug 1935 there had been an allocated RAF Direct Entry for Airmen Pilots.

    On outbreak of war approx 30% of operational squadron pilots were Sgt.

    From June 1940 the minimum rank for all aircrew was Sgt.

    Ross
     
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  7. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Thanks Ross, wasn't aware of that.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
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  8. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

    Only 5 crew on the Wellington. Sgt N Walters pilot in command, confirmed by ORB
     

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  10. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    My website is up and running.
    It's in Italian but the basic information on the casualties is in English.
    A big thanks to all those who helped me out,

    Vitellino

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