What vehicle could this be?

Discussion in 'British Army Units - Others' started by 8RB, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. 8RB

    8RB Well-Known Member

    Photo below is of members of 8th Rifle Brigade. I have no idea however, when or where it was taken. Identification of the vehicle (lorry?) they are sitting on might help.
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  2. JDKR

    JDKR Member

    The photo has an early war feel to it. The soldier on the right looks as if he has his respirator case slung round his neck, which I think was the norm for 1939/1940. They are all wearing ponchos and there might be a poncho fanatic out there who can tell you the date that that sort was on issue. You also need a truck roof fanatic - believe me, there will be one! Best.
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  3. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    The chap with the pipe has the pre-war style of toe-plate (which wouldn't rule out BEF) and looks to have the pre / early-war pattern of 25 hobnails per boot.

    The full steel cab with rain gutter looks civilian to me. Very difficult to pin down.
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  4. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    My first thought was full steel cab too but then I thought it could have a fabric center section as well, like a Model A.
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  5. Trackfrower

    Trackfrower Member

    SMLE rifles too
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  6. idler

    idler GeneralList

    The 'ponchos' could be gas capes as anti-gas eyeshields are also being worn. The suspected civilian vehicle could point to it having been impressed. Both facts lean towards the early war period but not conclusively.
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  7. 8RB

    8RB Well-Known Member

    Isn't there at least one No.4 mk1 to the left of the picture? Don't when these were introduced?
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  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Do you mean the one I circled ?
    Sling swivel wouldn't be there on a No4 but is in a MkIII.
    No4 entered service in 41.

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  9. 8RB

    8RB Well-Known Member

    Yes that's the one. Certainly not an expert on this, but I was mainly looking at the longish protruding barrel end with what seems like the front sight part thing... That wasn't there on a MkIII, or was it?!
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I think it's just the way the light is on the rifle & a grainy photo.
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  11. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    I sure didn't notice that one but it looks like a No.4 to me.

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  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Ok I was wrong .:)
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  13. 8RB

    8RB Well-Known Member

    Are you? Barrel in front of sighting thing seems much shorter than in Dave55's photo. Maybe too short to fit bayonet? Knowing the vehicle would help...
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  14. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    You still may be right. I wasn't sure either and was about to edit my post because I thought I saw a sling swivel near the muzzle and I thought the Mk III had them but my Lithgow Mk III doesn't have a swivel up there and there is no provision for one either.

    P14 Enfield has a stacking swivel right behind the muzzle though. :) EDIT: Foreshortened due to angle
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  15. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    Hopefully it's not a daft question but how are you certain its 8th Rifle Brigade?
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  16. 8RB

    8RB Well-Known Member

    It certainly isn't a daft question, and I must admit, it could also be 2nd London Rifle Brigade (which in late 1940 or in January 1941 had its name changed to 8th Rifle Brigade).

    I know this, because I got the photo through a relative of the man in the middle, who was a member of 8th Rifle Brigade. I try to find out a bit more about him and about this and another photo, before adding an item on him to Biographies - 8th Rifle Brigade
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