Michel Sabarly

B15147 Close Up

Identification of unit, Kevelaer 4 Mar 45 [Sjt Hutchinson]

B15147 Close Up
Michel Sabarly, Apr 2, 2018
    • Michel Sabarly
      Go to IWM B15147 and zoom in to see the Arm of Service number '51' more clearly.

      By the date the photos were taken, the AoS numbers for 8 Armd Bde had changed to the 'Type A' Armoured Brigade standard as follows:

      50 - Headquarters 8th Armoured Brigade
      51 - 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards
      52 - 1st Nottinghamshire (Sherwood Rangers) Yeomanry
      53 - 13th/18th Royal Hussars (Queen Mary's Own)
      54 - 12th Battalion King's Royal Rifle Corps
    • KevinT
      Some 4th / 7th Dragoon Guard names and numbers

      Sherman III, unless otherwise stated

      A Sqn

      Lancashire, Lancashire Ii, Winchester ( 2 Trp ), Newport ( 4 Trp Vc )

      B Sqn

      Shaggy Dog II, Dingaan

      C Sqn

      Shaggy Dog T152104

      Unmatched to Sqn / name

      Sherman Ic

      T263414, T263438

      Sherman III

      T151124, T151168, T151255, T 152212 Toronto Pam, T152662, T152950, T229850

      Sherman V

      T150263, T232405

      Sherman Vc

      T228496, T232296

      Shaggy Dog III

      Stuart VI

      T271322, T287750

      If anyone can see any errors or can match names to numbers or squadrons please post corrections.


    • Auke
      I'm new to this forum.
      We are restoring a Firefly Vc.
      We would like to re-create : " Newport" 4/7 RDG.
      Are there any pictures of this particular Firefly?
      Thanks, Auke
    • Michel Sabarly
      Hello Auke,

      Welcome to the forum! I did not know the name 'NEWPORT' was used for a Firefly in 4/7 DG. Do you have a particular source for this? Do you have any additional info on this tank, such as its troop/squadron, War Department Registration Number, crew member(s) or anything else which might help possibly identify it on photos where the name is not visible?

    • Auke
      Michel Sabarly
      Hello Michael,

      Kevin (in the above post) mentions:

      4 / 7 Dragoon Guard names and numbers

      A sqn Lancashire, Lancashire Li, Winchester (2 trp), Newport (Vc).

      B sqn etc, etc

      I assume Newport is a Firefly Vc?
      Newport is also listed the big file with WW2 British tank names and numbers.

    • Totalise
      Auke I have just found this thread and if you are still looking for the markings of the 17-Pdr of 4 Troop, A Squadron 4/7 Royal Dragoon Guards around the time of D-Day, I believe it is shown leaving L.C.T. 1031 during Exercise Fabius II about 2min 20sec in in part 5 of the Fabius films on the IWM website ( THE 50TH (NORTHUMBRIAN) DIVISION REHEARSES ITS D-DAY INVASION ROLE DURING OPERATION "FABIUS II" (PART 5) [Allocated Title] ).

      The close up that follows is definitely a Sherman V with 4/7 RDG unit markings plus an A Squadron triangle with a 4 in it. As all A Squadron 75mm tanks were Sherman III's I'm pretty confident this is the same 17-Pdr as that seen manoeuvring to get out off the landing craft. Whether or not this is the tank named "Newport", I cannot say, however it is a Sherman Vc.

      According to 4 Troop Leader Alistair Morrison, Fireflies were issued to the Troop Sergeants in A Squadron which would make this the tank of Sergeant W. Harris with turret number 34. The tank before appears to be Sherman III turret number 35 (25 was also a 17-Pdr), which would make it the tank of Corporal C Johnson of 4 Troop.

      Hope this helps.

    • Auke
      Thank you very much Philip. It is a Firefly Vc indeed and could be " Newport". Never saw this film.
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    • Michael Nikov
      Here is a picture of "NEWPORT", courtesy of Richard "Dick" Eagles, the Loader/Wireless Operator aboard Sgt. Wilfred Harris' Sherman Vc. Notice the 6 kill markings below the name. Question for Totalize - how confident are you that the turret number was "34" for Harris' Firefly?
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