3RTR - 4th April 1945 - help debunking "fight against 2000 SS men"

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  1. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    IntSum 8th Corps + 12th Corps for these days, also two pages of POW Interrogation from member of Werfer-Abteilung 500
    Perhaps of help
    Regarding the Panther I could imagine stragglers from PzBrigade Westfalen - but this area isn´t exactly my "playground"
    IMG_0065.JPG IMG_0066.JPG IMG_0068.JPG P3030500  4.April.JPG P3030492.JPG P3030486  5.April.JPG IMG_1803.JPG IMG_1804.JPG
     
  2. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    At least the tanks mustn´t belong to any SS unit. More than often witnesses confused the black tanker uniforms with those of the SS
    And the entire area between Paderborn and Osnabrück was utter chaos with a plethora of splinter units who were driven eastwards
    the majority stranded either in the Harz mountains or at my doorstep in the Dömitz Bridgehead
    The IntSums gives a good clue about the "organization" or better the lack of it
     
  3. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    Is this the area where Adolf had the 'Nazi train loaded with gold' buried in a tunnel?...the one they were digging for a couple of years ago after the buried Squadron of Spitfires hadn't been found out in Thailand?..... :)

    Intriguing thread: a perfect mix of fantasy, delusion, conspiracy theories and good quality hard facts. :) Just now need to figure out which is which (NB: I do actually know that bit).
     
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  4. sgbeuip

    sgbeuip Member

    No. The "Nazigoldzug" was in Poland: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesells...ach-nazigoldzug-vorerst-beendet/22875186.html
    Wałbrzych - Wikipedia
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    But regarding the topic - the only units present that day around Espelkamp were the 3RTR and 4 KSLI, right? And both dont seem to mention the level of resistance that is report from the German side. I now have the full newspaper article the "Tiger" tank photo was taken from. I can type it and translate it for here.
     
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  5. sgbeuip

    sgbeuip Member

    The abandoned Panther aka "Tiger":
    Delaforce Patrick The Black Bull Weser Crossing 1.PNG Delaforce Patrick The Black Bull Weser Crossing 2.PNG

    And a report from 11 Armd Division about "making 250 POW" at Espelkamp:
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  6. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    And this 2000 SS fighters reveal as a weak bataillon of juvenile conscripts just arrived from Denmark - as expected
    Most of these Tales rosed in pre-internet times, usually having in common SS-troops, Wonder Weapon Technology
    and the fundamental thesis of
    "The absence of evidence is no evidence of absence" :D
     
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  7. JDKR

    JDKR Member Patron

    I remember Dömitz quite well. In 1981 a number of members of my battalion went on a tour of the Inner German Border sponsored by, I think, the Neidersachsen authorities. The aim was to give us an understanding of the realities of the then-divided Germany. It was an eye-opener and the tour ended in a Dömitz gaststatte with an excellent lunch of beer, schinken and bread. Perfect!:cheers:
     
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  8. JDKR

    JDKR Member Patron

    I was interested to note that the author of the report was Major Poston. Poston was an 11th Hussar and one of Montgomery’s liaison officers who had worked for him from the North African campaign onwards. He was killed on 21 April when ambushed in his jeep on the Luneburg Heath when returning to Monty’s tac HQ from a liaison mission. Monty was extremely upset by Poston’s death.
    The report is therefore not by 11th Armoured Division but rather Poston reporting on the division’s progress to HQ 21st Army Group.
     
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  9. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Maybe the Jägerhof?
     
  10. JDKR

    JDKR Member Patron

    Sadly time has got the better of my memory but I do remember it being particularly gemuetlichkeit!
     

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