75 Squadron, losses 24/10/1942

Discussion in 'New Zealand' started by Obese1konobe, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. Obese1konobe

    Obese1konobe Junior Member

    Hello to all.
    I am privelaged to be making a documentary about the amazing story of Flt Sgt E Worsdale who after being shot down returning from Milan and escaping a crashlanding and subsequent burning Wellington on 24/10/1942, escaped and evaded capture right across northern france. Along with the only other surviving crew member they proceeded to WALK to eventual freedom in Switzerland. This amazing gentleman then stayed working as a radio operator in the British legation, Geneva. Doing vital SOE communications and handling numerous SOE ops.

    Help
    I would be grateful if I could source/confirm the correct the names of Eddies fellow crew members and as much records for the downed machine itself. Especially those of the 2 crew members who died in the crash landing.
    Pilot was Howard Hugil
    Nav was Johny Pete
    (Bomb aimer Jim Barnes parachuted before crash landing)

    Eddies (Edwin) story is an amazing one and I really look forward to sharing it with everyone.
     
  2. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    The following is taken from RAF Bomber Command Losses Vol.3 - W R. Chorley

    24-25 October 1942

    75 Squadron
    Wellington III Z1652 AA_
    Op. Milan

    Took off from Mildenhall and crashed at Ville-sur-Retourne (Ardennes) on the south bank of the river Retourne some 13 km south south east of Rethel. france


    Crew

    Sgt. H J. Hugill RNZAF + CWGC - Casualty Details
    Sgt. E J. Pete + CWGC - Casualty Details
    Sgt. E. Worsdale RNZAF evaded
    Sgt. J G. Barnes RNZAF pow
    Sgt. L. Newbold evaded
     
  3. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    The Milan raid of 24/25 October 1942

    71 aircraft of 1 and 3 Groups and the Pathfinders - 25 Halifaxes, 23 Stirlings, 23 Wellingtons - continued the attack on Milan. 4 Wellingtons and 2 Stirlings were lost, 8.5 per cent of the force.
    Storms en route dispersed the bomber force; some aircraft flew over Switzerland and were 'warned' by anti-aircraft fire. Only 39 aircraft claimed to have bombed Milan and local reports say that little further damage was caused there.


    Source - The Bomber Command War Diaries - M. Middlebrook / C. Everitt
     
  4. Oggie2620

    Oggie2620 Senior Member

  5. 3111941charles

    3111941charles Junior Member

    Stirling 111 EH905 AA-R of 75 (NZ) T/O Mepal 20.32 hours on 31st August 1943 to visit Berlin.Over the target the aircraft was hit by bombs from above and consequently crashed at Ludwigsfelde(11 miles SEof Potsdam.5 crew killed 2 taken POW S.The dead included my wife's father Sgt. Arthur John Bishop W/O aged 22 years.We have all crew details but would like to determine the following;
    1. Where exactly was the crash site in Ludswigfelde.
    2.Do any photographs exist anywhere of crashed aircraft.
    3.Did the 2 POWs bale out or did they go down with the aircraft( the W0344 does not advise)
     
  6. Obese1konobe

    Obese1konobe Junior Member

    The following is taken from RAF Bomber Command Losses Vol.3 - W R. Chorley

    24-25 October 1942

    75 Squadron
    Wellington III Z1652 AA_
    Op. Milan

    Took off from Mildenhall and crashed at Ville-sur-Retourne (Ardennes) on the south bank of the river Retourne some 13 km south south east of Rethel. france


    Crew

    Sgt. H J. Hugill RNZAF + CWGC - Casualty Details
    Sgt. E J. Pete + CWGC - Casualty Details
    Sgt. E. Worsdale RNZAF evaded
    Sgt. J G. Barnes RNZAF pow
    Sgt. L. Newbold evaded

    Many thanks, this is great info. I am meeting Eddie tomorrow.
     
  7. Obese1konobe

    Obese1konobe Junior Member

    Many thanks Dee, I will certainly do so.
     
  8. Obese1konobe

    Obese1konobe Junior Member

    The following is taken from RAF Bomber Command Losses Vol.3 - W R. Chorley

    24-25 October 1942

    75 Squadron
    Wellington III Z1652 AA_
    Op. Milan

    Took off from Mildenhall and crashed at Ville-sur-Retourne (Ardennes) on the south bank of the river Retourne some 13 km south south east of Rethel. france


    Crew

    Sgt. H J. Hugill RNZAF + CWGC - Casualty Details
    Sgt. E J. Pete + CWGC - Casualty Details
    Sgt. E. Worsdale RNZAF evaded
    Sgt. J G. Barnes RNZAF pow
    Sgt. L. Newbold evaded
    Thanks for the exact location. I hope to visit the crash site next year.
     
  9. Obese1konobe

    Obese1konobe Junior Member

    Hi Obese1konobe
    You might like to contact Sgt Glen Turner of the 75 Sqn Assn in New Zealand. His email is 75Sqn.assnz@windowslive.com as he would be interested to hear about this documentary. We also have a website 75 Squadron Association New Zealand | RFC | RAF | RNZAF which although is still in its infancy we hope to have links to things such as this on...
    Best wishes
    Dee :)

    Many Thanks Dee, I certainly shall.
     
  10. Dave Gibson

    Dave Gibson Member

    Hi

    You can obtain copies of the NZ airmen's service files by contacting the New Zealand Defence Force Archives at personnel.archives@nzdf.mil.nz. Virtually every RNZAF service file of a deceased airman has a one or two page entry that is realy detailed, giving biographical information, a career history and details of the sortie on which he died; it really helps to flesh out the dry administrative documents that make up much of the rest of the record. Just a caveat though: you are entitled to one free file copy per twelve calender months, every additional file copy request incurs a fee. There is a also a free reader's room available in case you are handy to the Wellington region.
     
  11. Mg6350

    Mg6350 New Member

    My grandfather was rear gunner in this aircraft. He bailed out and received shrapnel in his back from the explosion. The Germans saved his life. He survived until the 70's where the shrapnel injuries eventually killed him. He never spoke much about the wartime. And I remember him getting very emotional when we gave him an air fix model we had made of a Stirling. His name was fred harries.
     
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  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    http://www.aircrewremembered.com/AlliedLossesIncidents/?q=eh905

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: F T J Harries
    Rank: Sergeant
    Army Number: 1358765
    Regiment: Royal Air Force : Officers & Other Ranks
    POW Number: 12729
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 4B
    Camp Location: Muhlberg (Elbe), Germany
    Section: Royal Air Force : Officers & Other Ranks

    TD
     
  13. Mg6350

    Mg6350 New Member

    Would love more details but I guess so many Stirling's were lost in the same way as they could not get the height. Thanks for the info.
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    He may have filled in a Liberation Questionnaire when released from POW camp - one of our members has this site - Archive Research - www.arcre.com (POW Liberation Questionnaires - www.arcre.com)

    It is also possible that there is a file at the TNA for him re the incident - I have just used the information you gave and looked for Fredrcik Harries and came up with several possible files - BUT I have no idea if any are your relative, you may need to research further


    Reference: AIR 79/1404/156388
    Description:
    Name: Frederick William Harries.
    Date: [1918-1928]
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Language: English
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Open Immediately

    TD
     

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