Bazookas and flamethrowers

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by Nuclear_Winter, Jun 30, 2004.

  1. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Considering that PzSchrecke and PzFäuste started appearing in force in '44, and Schürzen started before that, having it countering a weapon that had yet to be put in action and expecting it to be captured later, seems to be a bit convoluted, right?
     
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Evening Ev,
    Schurzen were being tested in February '43 for deployment in summer that year, Faustpatrone/Faust began pretty limited issue in August of the same year. No mention of 'em in the February tests, (and hardly in the German nature to plan for the Untermensch capturing heaps of their new wonder-weapons). If memory serves, the puppchen and schreck had been around for a tad longer, but weren't exactly widely issued yet. Again, not considered in the testing of Schurzen - only AT rifle and HE were looked at.

    (Funnily enough, I was trying to get you the Spielberger that covers this stuff best, but some bastard outbid me yesterday...)

    Edit: cross-posted with Za above.
     
  3. TiredOldSoldier

    TiredOldSoldier Senior Member

    I have to disagree I'm afraid ToS.
    The Mesh schuerzen was actually tested at exactly the same trials as the Plate type. Perhaps surprisingly, counterintuitively even, it was found to be just as effective against 14.5 AT bullets as the plate, with the added advantage of being much lighter. The only reason it didn't initially go into production was the lack of manufacturing capability for the right size of mesh. Another one of those bottlenecks so common in German armour production.

    Thanks for the info, counterintuitive (SP?) is an understatement, I've never seen a sample of the mesh but the photos make it look a lot easier to penetrate than the plates.

    Guderian is the only German source I remember reading on the schuerzen motivation and he makes no mention of shaped charges just "infantry weapons" that at the time of the decison to mount the schuerzen were the 14.5 ATR and grenades not shaped charge weapons.

    The Stug cupolas was 30mm just like the sides of the vehicle, this was vulnerable to the 14.5 ATR and an armour "deflector" was added in front of it from late 1943. As it would make no sense to protect the small cupola when the whole side of the vehicle was vulnerable (the rounded cupola had probably better resistance than the flat side plates) it looks like the schuerzen, that were introduced a little earlier, had fixed that vulnerability.
     
  4. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    TOS. the idea with the stell mesh - and we are not talking about chicken wire - is to cause deflection of the projectile, even a tiny bit of stumble will prevent striking with the pointy, and hitting with the blunty.
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    RPGs have cropped up on 2F.
    Wondering if anyone might have seen any more on this possibly Soviet possibly RB65, possibly Petropavlovskogo, possibly rocket, possibly RR, possibly 30s thing over the last few years.
    Info is sketchy, to say the least.
     

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