Did the Japanese deserve the Atomic Bomb?

Discussion in 'War Against Japan' started by LostKingdom, Feb 25, 2004.

  1. peaceful

    peaceful Senior Member

    I don't think the Americans were overly concerned about Russia because they only entered the war after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Japan was their focus I believe. Even today they speak frequently about this event and the American POWs treatment by the Japanese is not forgotten.

    Chrissie :poppy:
     
  2. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    To end the Japanese war or to show the Russians what to expect?

    One of the points in the Yalta Conference (Feb'45, signatories Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin) was that the SU would enter the war against Japan, Stalin asking for a breather after the German defeat?

    From the esteemed Opanapointer's website:
    AGREEMENT REGARDING JAPAN
    The leaders of the three great powers - the Soviet Union, the United States of America and Great Britain - have agreed that in two or three months after Germany has surrendered and the war in Europe is terminated, the Soviet Union shall enter into war against Japan on the side of the Allies on condition that: ...
    V-E day was May 8th, and the Machurian Strategic Offensive Operation started on August 9th. Three months.
     
  3. Jon Horley

    Jon Horley Member

    Just a brief response to Wowtank's question: of course individuals are held to account - that's what the Nuremberg Trials were about.
     
  4. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Just a brief response to Wowtank's question: of course individuals are held to account - that's what the Nuremberg Trials were about.
    Lots of holes in that sieve, especially in the Japanese equivalent.

    ... It seem to me that the bomb has an founded affect on the psykie of the nation and there culture. ...

    The Bomb? Yes, being on the receiving end did leave a mark, but as for what brought the bomb about I'm not so sure, more like being swept under the carpet. ;)
     
  5. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    Japan was their [the USA's] focus I believe. Even today they speak frequently about this event and the American POWs treatment by the Japanese is not forgotten.
    Japan precisely wasn't their focus. America fully agreed with Britain and Russia that Germany would be dealt with first. Hence, D Day on 6 June 1944 and before that North Africa, Sicily and mainland Italy.
     
  6. wowtank

    wowtank Very Senior Member

    Just a brief response to Wowtank's question: of course individuals are held to account - that's what the Nuremberg Trials were about.

    I said "account for there actions of there nation" They were tried if i not mistaken which could be the case for there own actions and crimes.
     
  7. peaceful

    peaceful Senior Member

    Yes it's true that America was a large part of d day. Over time as the Japanese tortured more and more American POWs so inhumanely anger was ignited.

    peaceful
     
  8. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer Pearl Harbor Myth Buster

    Just a point I don't know much about Japanese culture and there society today but I do have a little passing interest in thing like Anami and Japanese computer games. It seem to me that the bomb has an founded affect on the psykie of the nation and there culture.
    As a nation do we feel remorse for the atrocities in the past which we have done? Mind you I don't thick we have done anythings as terrible as the Japanese did in ww2! Some people in other parts of the would may disagree.

    It is very interesting really as a I guess as a philosophical point can you hold individuals to account for there actions of there nation? Who knows
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  9. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    The Japanese as victims?

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  10. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    I don't think Tokyo is in Germany lol

    The US seem not to mind bombing to kill the Japs but did mind doing it to the Germans.
    That's because the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor (sorry Bluto). We were content with minding our own business, playing baseball, going to the movies and trying to stay out of the latest war to end all wars until the Jap(anese) so rudely awakened us and invited us to the on-going party. Better late than never eh?
     
  11. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer Pearl Harbor Myth Buster

    That's because the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor (sorry Bluto). We were content with minding our own business, playing baseball, going to the movies and trying to stay out of the latest war to end all wars until the Jap(anese) so rudely awakened us and invited us to the on-going party. Better late than never eh?
    Tell that to the guys on the Reuben James.
     
  12. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    Now there you go, complicating things for our friends here!
     
  13. Formerjughead

    Formerjughead Senior Member

    I don't think Tokyo is in Germany lol

    The US seem not to mind bombing to kill the Japs but did mind doing it to the Germans.

    IF the Bombs had been ready prior to April 1945 you can bet your sweet bippy the Fatherland would have been the first recipients of Dr. Oppenheimer's Sunshine on a stick.

    "Bippy" is a metaphore.
     
  14. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    IF the Bombs had been ready prior to April 1945 you can bet your sweet bippy the Fatherland would have been the first recipients of Dr. Oppenheimer's Sunshine on a stick.

    "Bippy" is a metaphore.

    Right you are my friend. That's who was in mind when the "the big one" was being developed. We had no idea how far ahead in the race for atomic capability they were ahead of us. Turns out the clock ran out on them while they were running into problems with their program. Oh well.
     
  15. wowtank

    wowtank Very Senior Member

    That's because the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor (sorry Bluto). We were content with minding our own business, playing baseball, going to the movies and trying to stay out of the latest war to end all wars until the Jap(anese) so rudely awakened us and invited us to the on-going party. Better late than never eh?

    lol at you. Oil and sanctions force the Japan in to ww2. From a certain point of view. From a certain point of view the USA caused ww2 from not joining the league of nations and undermining it with the Kellogg packed. Some would say that Japan would still been an ally of the UK if the US hand not broke the navel code to get what they wanted from certain treaties.


    Sadly it was a typicality an American post. FYI I use to stair near chicgo when I was a very little boy.
     
  16. wowtank

    wowtank Very Senior Member

    IF the Bombs had been ready prior to April 1945 you can bet your sweet bippy the Fatherland would have been the first recipients of Dr. Oppenheimer's Sunshine on a stick.

    "Bippy" is a metaphore.

    And this is why plz ?

    ASk NASA about the spinning Apollo rockets and how many NAZI developed it and the famous pub in the US that has the Swastikas on it and was frequented by people that developed it?????
     
  17. wowtank

    wowtank Very Senior Member

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    Sorry I don't get it??
     
  18. wowtank

    wowtank Very Senior Member

    I am leaving this thread as I am sorry I don't have the English skill to convey my philosophical and psychological views about the subject matter. I would have very muck liked to however.
     
  19. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    lol at you. Oil and sanctions force the Japan in to ww2. From a certain point of view. From a certain point of view the USA caused ww2 from not joining the league of nations and undermining it with the Kellogg packed. Some would say that Japan would still been an ally of the UK if the US hand not broke the navel code to get what they wanted from certain treaties.


    Sadly it was a typicality an American post. FYI I use to live there near st Lewis when I was a very little boy.


    Yes, and the Chinese were just begging to be exterminated too, as were all those who were most unfortunate to fall within the confines of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and the peace loving Jap(anese) b@$tards running it.

    Strange view on the causes leading up to WW2 you have there. Usually on this forum the US gets charged with winning it all by ourselves. Now according to your sources we started it and forced the Jap(anese) to split the sheets with Britain and attack us because we were sanctioning their ability to wage an aggressive war in China and wanted to stay out of Europe's business. Post your references please. Never mind. I'll look it up myself thank you very much.
     
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  20. Formerjughead

    Formerjughead Senior Member

    And this is why plz ?

    ASk NASA about the spinning Apollo rockets and how many NAZI developed it and the famous pub in the US that has the Swastikas on it and was frequented by people that developed it?????

    You can have all the NAZI scientists you want working on the Mercury and Apollo projects, because I bet you'll find more items "Made in Japan" than you will men on the moon.

    As for not wanting to use the "bombs" on Germany maybe you should remember the pledge in 1942 about defeating Germany First, I think it was even called the: "Germany First" plan. To paraphrase the plan, the Allies comitted to focusing on the defeat of Germany before Japan, hence: "Germany First" (catchy name) So it would stand to reason that in 194, when the Manahttan Project was up and running with true progress being made no one involved was thinking about dropping them on Japan first as the default answer would have been "Germany First".
     

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