Friday "Friend or Foe"

Discussion in 'The War In The Air' started by white1, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. white1

    white1 Discharged

    Well it friday and time for a little fun.!!
    You have a plane in your sights, is it 'friend or foe'. Can you identify the plane and do you shoot.??
     

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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    'friend or foe'

    From what point of view are we taking ?
    A German member might say 'Freund' but would they be right or wrong ?
    what do we say if the plane is Italian ?
     
  3. white1

    white1 Discharged

    From what point of view are we taking ?
    A German member might say 'Freund' but would they be right or wrong ?
    what do we say if the plane is Italian ?

    hahaha good point my friend.!!:huh:
    Well lets just test your Aircraft Recon skills then and i will leave it up to you if you wish to shoot. lol ;)
     
  4. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    If I'm in the infantry:

    It's a plane, so it's clearly not a friend, but a target.

    If I'm in AAA

    It's a plane, so it's clearly not a friend, but a target.

    An Italian would say 'amico' or 'nemico'. But note that the above also applies (just ask Italo Balbo at a seance).

    So the only people who care about it are the air force guys, and nobody cares about them in any case (says the former member of the Luftwaffe).

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  5. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    Personally I wouldn't shoot down a Spitfire no matter who was flying it.
     
  6. RemeDesertRat

    RemeDesertRat Very Senior Member

    Perhaps this could help? :)

    german raiders.jpg
     
  7. white1

    white1 Discharged

    well its not a Spitfire nor is it German.!!!! Keep guessing guys.
     
  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  9. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    well its not a Spitfire nor is it German.!!!! Keep guessing guys.

    I'd better dig out my aircraft spotter weekly magazines then :)
     
  10. white1

    white1 Discharged

    Is it a P47 ?
    http://images.ookaboo.com/photo/s/F_47D_Thunderbolt_Silh_s.jpg

    We used to have a member called 'jimbotosome' complete looney.
    He loved the P47.
    Cant help thinking of him everytime the 'Jug' gets mentioned.
    We had to ban him though.

    ohhhh i thought i would fox you for longer on this one.:p:p:p lol
    Yes Owen you are correct with saying its a Republic P-47 Thunderbolt.
    Well done, give yourself a gold Star. ;)
     
  11. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    I was given a set of aircraft recognition cards as a schoolboy during war by our next door neighbour's son who was in the RAF from the start of the war.They were laid out in playing card configuration with the aircraft displayed in three dimensions as silhouettes.There was a great emphasis on aircraft recognition as part of training courses and on going awareness.

    I would think that aircraft recognition training from screens would involve flashing up the aircraft on the screen with the trainees tested to give an instant decision on the aircraft" is it friendly or foe".Similarly the playing card type was turned over to expose the silhouette,an exercise which could be conducted at any time..

    As an aside,on one of our past RAF reunions,we played a similar exercise,for fun of course but the silhouettes were presented on A4 paper,ie, without minimum exposure.There were 20 types and one of my friends was highly skilled at aircraft recognition and correctly identified all 20....a good friend, he finished as a Squadron Leader in the old AAF after completing RAF service as an ARM.

    Getting back to life and death situations.Despite IFF and colours of the day,many aircraft were brought down by friendly fire.Nothing worse than trigger happy gunners as the likes of George Preddy a 8th AAF ace found out when has was brought down by his own AA on Christmas Day 1944 over Belgium during the Battle of the Bulge.
     
  12. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    ohhhh i thought i would fox you for longer on this one.:p:p:p lol
    Yes Owen you are correct with saying its a Republic P-47 Thunderbolt.
    Well done, give yourself a gold Star. ;)

    See, I was right.

    When the Luftwaffe comes, the British duck.

    When the RAF comes, the Germans duck.

    When the USAAF comes, everyone ducks.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  13. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    I would think that aircraft recognition training from screens would involve flashing up the aircraft on the screen with the trainees tested to give an instant decision on the aircraft" is it friendly or foe".Similarly the playing card type was turned over to expose the silhouette,an exercise which could be conducted at any time..

    That's exactly how I learned it when I was trained as an AA spotter on the 20mm twin AA gun in the late 80s. Except our NCOs used a projector.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  14. white1

    white1 Discharged

    See, I was right.

    When the Luftwaffe comes, the British duck.

    When the RAF comes, the Germans duck.

    When the USAAF comes, everyone ducks.

    All the best

    Andreas

    Great comment Andreas.!!:D I nearly spat my coffee all over my computer when i read that. lmao:lol:
     
  15. white1

    white1 Discharged

    I was given a set of aircraft recognition cards as a schoolboy during war by our next door neighbour's son who was in the RAF from the start of the war.They were laid out in playing card configuration with the aircraft displayed in three dimensions as silhouettes.There was a great emphasis on aircraft recognition as part of training courses and on going awareness.

    I would think that aircraft recognition training from screens would involve flashing up the aircraft on the screen with the trainees tested to give an instant decision on the aircraft" is it friendly or foe".Similarly the playing card type was turned over to expose the silhouette,an exercise which could be conducted at any time..

    As an aside,on one of our past RAF reunions,we played a similar exercise,for fun of course but the silhouettes were presented on A4 paper,ie, without minimum exposure.There were 20 types and one of my friends was highly skilled at aircraft recognition and correctly identified all 20....a good friend, he finished as a Squadron Leader in the old AAF after completing RAF service as an ARM.

    Getting back to life and death situations.Despite IFF and colours of the day,many aircraft were brought down by friendly fire.Nothing worse than trigger happy gunners as the likes of George Preddy a 8th AAF ace found out when has was brought down by his own AA on Christmas Day 1944 over Belgium during the Battle of the Bulge.

    I see what you mean Harry.! I have been looking into this and have found a few stories of blue on blue AA Fire. I think they need to borrow your Aircraft Recon Cards.
    Friendly Fire'sDeadliest Day - America in WWII
     
  16. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    It is ok sitting here in front of the computer and being able to recognise aircraft, but even the best fighter pilots mistook the aircraft at time.

    Remember, we are talking about young men flying fighters etc, and they only had split seconds to decide who was friend or foe and the adrenelin would have been pumping pretty fast!!

    The most successful fighter pilots appeared to be those who closed in fast on the target and so close that they were almost guaranteed a kill.

    When you get so close the pilots could easily recognise the markings even if they were unsure of the model of the enemy machine.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  17. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

  18. white1

    white1 Discharged

    Its back again with a little Friday fun.
    Can you identify the plane? Is it Friend or Foe?
    Just a little test on you aircraft recognition skills
     

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  19. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    BF110?

    Surely friend or foe is a matter of perspective ;)
     
  20. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Lockheed Hudson?
     

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