Gardening

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  1. Dannemois

    Dannemois Member

    Excuse my ignorance but whilst researching Bomber Command during 1943 I note a person of interest was detailed 'Gardening' twice, one in "elderberry" area and the other in "Jasmine" area. Can someone explain these two terms, please.
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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  3. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    My knowledge is limited but you may find the RAF “code” words in this link may be helpful in the future -

    Glossary of RAF code names - Wikipedia

    Hopefully forum member Ross - RAFCommands - will know the answers to Elderberry & Jasmine queries.

    Steve
     
  4. JDCAVE

    JDCAVE Well-Known Member

    As discussed above, gardening refers to the mining operations by Bomber Command in the harbours of ports and waterways. They assigned the code names of plants, herbs and flowers to these locations. According to this site:

    WW2 Bomber Command Minefield Code Names

    Elderberry -Bayonne

    Jasmine - Warnemünde

    I am away from my files right now, so this is the best I can provide. As always, you should consult the actual source material for verification.

    Jim
     
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  5. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

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  6. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

    Appendix K2 will also interest those with an interest in May/June Low Countries as it lists the direct support operations flown May 10th to June 18th

    Ross
     
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  7. Dannemois

    Dannemois Member

    Many thanks for the details and advice. Can I please run one more query by you. My person of interest was a crew member on Lancaster MkI W4110 KM-K, is there a site where I find what the end K represented.
     
  8. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

    Individual letter the squadron gave the lancaster - will have changed from squadron to squadron if it was transferred and also if it left for prolonged mainitenance.

    Ross
     
  9. JDCAVE

    JDCAVE Well-Known Member

    You will need to know the Squadron with which he served, and the approximate time period. I don’t know, off the top of my head to which squadron the letters KM were assigned. You can then search the Operations Records Books (Form 540 and 541), available free for download.

    WRT the aircraft, check the aircraft movement cards.

    Jim
     
  10. Dannemois

    Dannemois Member

    Sgt W C Digby, Bomb Aimer, 44 (Rhodesia) Squadron. Posted 9 March 43 from 1654 CU and failed to return from operation on 13 May 43
     
  11. JDCAVE

    JDCAVE Well-Known Member

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  12. Dannemois

    Dannemois Member

    Hi Jim
    I already downloaded the files and found details of Digby's 12 operations but unless I am looking in the wrong place I have not found what K represent. I thought maybe K for King
     
  13. JDCAVE

    JDCAVE Well-Known Member

    I should add that the code name for “K” would be “King”

    Jim
     
  14. Dannemois

    Dannemois Member

    Thanks Jim
     
  15. JDCAVE

    JDCAVE Well-Known Member

    Also, individual a/c were assigned call signs, which I believe changed from time to time. Not sure if it was assigned to the crew or the aircraft. These were used for communication with the air traffic controllers at stations. I’m not particularly familiar with this topic.
     
  16. Dannemois

    Dannemois Member

    AIR27/450/5 page 363, show W C Digby 1315999 arrived at Waddington (44 Rhodesia Squadron) on 9 March 1943 from 1654 C U. Can someone advise if there are records of 1654 unit available to view online, please
     
  17. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

    No copy online

    In common with most non-operational units this ORB is F540 only with only two or three lines daily to describe weather instructional staff postings and total daily flying hours of Lancaster/Manchester achieved.

    Ross
     
  18. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

    This is the page from the ORB for most of the month

    Ross
     

    Attached Files:

  19. Dannemois

    Dannemois Member

    Hello Ross
    Thank you for the image. Is there a way I can confirm if Digby was at Wigsley and if so, when he arrived
     
  20. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    Records at this link:

    1654 Conversion Unit 19th May 1942 - 31st January 1944

    https://www.lancasterbombers.net/squadron-orbs/


    Not sure if you have this, the Loss Record (this records are not the clearest)

    RAF Loss Cards 12 - 13 May 1943

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