Help please - RN Reservist death

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by temptage, Jul 12, 2019 at 1:00 PM.

  1. temptage

    temptage Who said this would be easy?

    I have been looking through the burial records for my local Cemetery and have found this record

    Benjamin Samuel Forest (age 59) died 19/03/1945 (may also be spelt Forrest)
    Petty Officer - RN Reserve

    He lived at 15 Lyndhurst Road, Grimsby, at the time of his death.

    Normally the record keepers who scribed the burial details included facts like 'retired' or 'discharged', but this record doesnt have anything like that, so may have still been serving when he died. There is no record of him on the CWGC database.

    If anybody can find out any other details about him or his service I would appreciate it. It might even be that he is an 'In From The Cold' candidate if we can find something out.

    Tony
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

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  3. travers1940

    travers1940 Active Member

    1939 Register for 15 Lyndhurst Ave, Grimsby CB shows two occupants:

    HUTCHINS Katherine, born 15 Jul 1875, widow, unpaid domestic duties
    FOREST Benjamin S, born 4 Aug 1885, single, ships stoker, Retd C.E. 45.1.76. [the rest in not visable]


    The UK Naval Medal and Award Rolls 1793-1972 for the RNVR & WW1 Pension cards do show a Benjamin S FORREST, but he is on the CWGC as below, so can be discounted:
    Able Seaman FORREST, BENJAMIN SMITH. Service Number Tyneside Z/6953. Died 04/02/1917. Hawke Bn. R.N. Div. Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
     
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  4. temptage

    temptage Who said this would be easy?

    Well at least we know he rose through the ranks from Stoker to Petty Officer, even at his advanced years.
     
  5. travers1940

    travers1940 Active Member

    My interpretation of this is that he probably retired from the sea as a stoker in the merchant Navy, but was also at Petty Officer RNVR.
     
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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Do you have the headstone photo?



    The family put his last employment on the headstone/burial records.Even though he was out of service.
    He had been discharged and died of illness/accident


    Hopefully a forum member can dig out a newspaper cutting

    Finally dc required
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Benjamin S Forrest
    Death Age: 59
    Birth Date: abt 1886
    Registration Date: Jan 1945
    [Feb 1945]
    [Mar 1945]
    Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Registration district: Grimsby
    Inferred County: Lincolnshire
    Volume: 7a
    Page: 918

    UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972
    Name: Benjamin S Forrest
    Medal or Award: Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal
    Service Year: 1914-1920
    Service Location: Europe
    Campaign or Service: World War I
    Service Number: T Z/6593
    [See attachment below]


    A possible but the date of birth isnt quite right but the service number matches the one above
    Name Forrest, Benjamin Smith Service Number(s): Z/6593 ... Rank or Rating: ... | The National Archives
    Reference: ADM 339/1/12962
    Description:
    Name Forrest, Benjamin Smith
    Service Number(s): Z/6593
    Rank or Rating: Ordinary Seaman, Able Seaman
    Date of Birth: 18 November 1896
    Date: 1914-1919
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

    TD
     

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  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    If you need a Benjamin Forest in the Navy then there is a fireman of that man

    UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
    Name: Benjamin Forest
    Arrival Age: 34
    Birth Date: abt 1886
    Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
    Arrival Date: 5 Sep 1920
    Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England
    Ports of Voyage: Montevideo; Santos; Rio de Janeiro; Pernambuco; Las Palmas; Lisbon; Vigo; Boulogne; Amsterdam
    Ship Name: Gelria
    Shipping Line: Royal Holland Lloyd Line
    30807_A000682-00112.jpg

    TD
     
  9. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    Rule out Benjamin Smith Forrest - he was discharged dead from the RND in 1917.
    Regards
    Hugh
    *sorry missed #4
     
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  10. travers1940

    travers1940 Active Member

    I too had ruled out Benjamin Smith Forrest, listed on Theipval Memorial in the Somme & was part of Hood battalion, Royal Naval Division.

    As he lived in Grimsby, are we maybe looking at one of the many Grimsby Trawlermen, who also served in the RNVR, when their trawlers were impressed into RN Service. I know this happened a lot in WW1, as they did not have dedicated minesweepers at the start, the next best thing being boats with the set up for trawling gear.
     
  11. temptage

    temptage Who said this would be easy?

    Unfortunately he doesn't have a headstone.

    His middle name is definitely Samuel. His age suggests he was old enough to have served in WW1, but it seems that those who served on the fishing boats, and only served in the fishing fleet, who survived the War, are all but forgotten. There were thousands of local men who served in various guises in both Wars who were fishermen in Civilian life.
     

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