The Falklands War

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  1. PsyWar.Org

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  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Nothing in the news that was overly surprising was there?

    Thatcher surprised by invasion

    Thatcher unsure if islands could be re-taken

    Reagan wanted Thatcher to negotiate a peace with Argentina

    US would lend UK a Carrier if required

    Now get the war diaries released :D
     
  3. PsyWar.Org

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    Andy the diaries should be released any day now unless they are being given an extended closure.
     
  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Don't forget the 1982 World Cup.

    BBC News - World Cup withdrawal considered amid Falklands War
    The government considered pulling the home nations out of the football World Cup in 1982 during the Falklands War with Argentina, official papers show.

    I remember reading a book about the Argentine soldiers where they were pissed off cos the public back home were more interested in how the Argentine foorball team got on than how their troops were in Las Malvinas.
     
  5. Ramiles

    Ramiles Well-Known Member

    Vernon Bogdanor Lecture - Falklands War

    Recorded coverage of the lecture by Professor Vernon Bogdanor on the 1982 Falklands war and its political impact, from Tuesday 8 March. (First shown: 9pm 19 Mar 2016 - Currently says - Available for 25 days)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07557p1/briefings-vernon-bogdanor-lecture-falklands-war

    And quite a bit also in the news at the mo. (particularly at this time of the year): https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Falklands&oq=Falklands&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i59l3j0.4140j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=Falklands&tbm=nws
     
  6. Ramiles

    Ramiles Well-Known Member

    Quite a moving radio doc. from a few years ago on Soul Music: Brothers in Arms: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03pk98k

    (The jury is still out I guess on whether or not that this was originally all about the Falklands war - though the dates fit ;) )

    BBC WORLD SERVICE


    Episode 2 of 3



    Listen in pop-out player





    Although thought to have been written by Mark Knopfler in response to the Falklands War in the mid 1980s, it's a piece that people now associate with many other conflicts ; military, personal and social. Dire Straits bass player, John Illsley explains why it remains such a special piece for the band, while Marines chaplain, Nigel Beardsley, recalls the important part it's played in the lives of so many soldiers in Iran and Afghanistan and why it's now often heard at military funerals.
    The Irish playwright, Sam Millar describes why he based a very personal play around the song and Snuffy Walden, music director of the hit American TV show, The West Wing, talks about how the series writer, Aaron Sorkin insisted on it being used in its entirety during a crucial episode.
    Prof Alan Moore of Surrey University explains how it's Knopfler's brilliant use of harmony that gives the song the sense of yearning that has made it into one of the most enduring pop songs of the last century.
    Image: Dire Straits perform Credit: BBC
     
  7. Ramiles

    Ramiles Well-Known Member

    Robust and to the point.... http://forces.tv/95130611

    Falklands And Gibraltar Refuse To Be Bullied

    Including...

    "The two Foreign Ministers have displayed a remarkable lack of knowledge about the complexities and the differences between Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands. They have wrongly proceeded order to target our countries as if the historical background and legal issues were one and the same when clearly they are not."

    "Moreover, Mr Margallo and Ms Malcorra need to understand that both Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands are on the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories held by the United Nations.

    "It is a fundamental principle of international law that the right to self-determination comes first with regard to territories on the list and this has been the criteria that the United Nations has applied throughout the post-War history of decolonisation. This cannot be changed overnight on the whim of the Foreign Ministers of Spain and Argentina.

    "The mandate of the United Nations, as reflected in the Charter and in the Covenants, is that the only way in which we can be removed from that list is through the freely and democratically expressed wishes of the people of Gibraltar and of the Falkland Islands respectively. The wishes of the people must be paramount."


    "It also does not say much for the democratic credentials of two large countries that they should seek to gang up in this way in order to bully two very small territories and in the process completely ignore the right of their people to choose what they want to be. Referenda held in both Gibraltar and in the Falkland Islands have made those wishes abundantly clear."
     
  8. dbf

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  9. Ramiles

    Ramiles Well-Known Member

    BTW - There's a series of detailed podcasts on the Falklands War at "Center for International Maritime Security": Center for International Maritime Security

    Under "Sea Control" - Sea Control - CIMSEC
    CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL MARITIME SECURITY (CIMSEC) - NEWS & POLITICS


    Or i.e. Sea Control - CIMSEC

    And e.g. Falklands Series 1 – (Re-Run) 45 Commando from Sea Control - CIMSEC
    Alex Clarke interviews Ian Gardiner about the Falklands War and 45 Commando Royal Marines. This is part of the ongoing Sea Control East-Atlantic series on the Falklands War. Falklands Series 1: 45 Commando

    And: Sea Control 101 – Falklands 10 – 21 Days to take a Squadron to War
    Sea Control 101 – Falklands 10 – 21 Days to take a Squadron to War from Sea Control - CIMSEC
    "If you wish to know how to raise a modern combat squadron from nothing to combat ready in 21 Days you need look no further, Cdr Tim Gedge RN accomplished in 1982 when he raised a 809 squadron not once, but twice!

    The first time was during the Falklands War itself, and the second time was afterwards to enable the relief of Invincible; the RN could not have found a better, more experience leader for the task – before 1982 he had already bought the first Sea Harrier squadron, 801, into service… and in a career that included flying four different jet types (including the ethereally stunning Sea Vixens) as well as extensive work as an Air Warfare Instructor – or Top Gun in US speak.

    Cdr Gedge of course took his squadron to war on the Atlantic Conveyor, before splitting it and flying from both HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible; enough to give a unique perspective on the course of the conflict in any book. However, for the last days of the war rather than command his squadron, he was sent ashore to support and co-ordinate the crucial air support required to allow the land forces to achieve their necessary victories to end the campaign
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  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I'm off to Bovington on the 25th to see Simon Weston .
    Last month on holiday in Portland , Dorset , I saw a RFA ship.
    It's taken me until now to find out it was the Sir Tristram.
    RFA Sir Tristam.JPG
     
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  11. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    She looks a lot better than the last time I saw her. Photo below taken by me in Port Stanley.

    Regards
    Hugh
    sir.jpg
     
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  12. dbf

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    Falklands War veterans return to face their demons - BBC News
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    "When you're 19, you're Superman - you can walk through walls, you are indestructible, you are the master of the universe, you've got everything in front of you."

    Mick Hermanis was one of 26,000 men and women who were sent from the UK to defend the Falkland Islands in 1982.

    The British defeated the Argentines in just three and a half weeks and returned home victorious.

    But the trauma of fighting a war continues to affect them decades later.

    BBC Panorama followed a group of former Welsh Guards, who have remained friends, as they flew 8,000 miles back to the Falklands to confront their demons for the first time in 35 years.

    Now in their 50s, as teenagers these men knew little of what they were getting themselves into. Yet their lives have been shaped by their Falklands experience.

    ....
     
  13. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    A good read here:

    The secret battle of the Falklands War you have never heard about
    By Gayle_Herald | Posted: June 14, 2017
    By Ricky D Phillips

    On April 2, 1982, 60 Royal Marines of the Naval Party 8901 who constituted the entire garrison for the Falkland Islands were overwhelmed by 80 Argentine Commandos.

    They put up a mere token defence, fired off a few shots, killed one Argentine and wounded a few more and then surrendered.

    That's the story you are supposed to know. It is the story that we – the British public – were all told.

    It is the story you will find in every book and on every website which deals with the Falklands War. It is a story which has stood for 35 years as 'established history'.

    That story, might I say, is rubbish.

    For the first time in 35 years, the accounts of the people involved from all three sides; British, Argentine and the Falkland Islanders themselves have been taken, analysed and formed into a new history with fresh interviews and in-depth research into each and every claim or quote, creating a panoramic view of a battle which were all told never happened.

    The battle of Stanley - for it was a battle, not a mere skirmish – was an action on a par with Rorke's Drift, a battle which, had the world known the truth, might have cost the UK the entire Falklands War.

    At 06.05 the battle opened with 84 Argentine Commandos attacking the British position from the rear.

    The night sky lit up as Moody Brook barracks, the Marines' accommodation block outside of town was torn apart by gunfire and grenades only for the Argentine Commandos to find their bunks empty and the Royal Marines already deployed.

    Moments later, the first Argentine casualties came when a landing craft with 40 men on board sailed through the narrow strip of water into Stanley Harbour and was destroyed, overturned and sunk with an anti-tank rocket, the tightly-packed men being plunged into the freezing, sucking waters from which none came up again.

    At Government House, the seat of government in the islands, a special snatch-squad raced into the grounds to seize the governor Rex Hunt, only to run into four waiting Marines who gunned down three of them and left them lying in the garden.

    Now others came, rushing in four-abreast and making easy targets for the Royal Marines who, crouched behind a stone wall, picked them off at will.

    "The words 'turkey shoot' flashed through my mind," said one of the defenders, Jim Fairfield.

    "We took targets of opportunity. There were a lot of targets and I'm a good shot."

    Continued Here:
    The secret battle of the Falklands War you have never heard about
     
  14. RCG

    RCG Senior Member

    How can he really get away with saying that?
    Has he not read The Falklands War. The day to day record from invasion to victory.
    A Marshal Cavendish publication in 14 weekly parts. £1 in UK.
    Part 1 Invasion 2nd to 9th April1982.
    Distinctly says the taking of South Georgia was a Epic David and Goliath battle.
    Also describes the taking out of one of the Amtracks by Armourer Marine Gibbs.
    The capture of the three Argentinians who managed to get into government house.
    Major Norman's last briefing to his men saying "Remember you are not fighting for the Falklands. This time you are fighting for yourselves.
     
  15. Rav4

    Rav4 Senior Member

    Not sure if this has been posted.

     
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