Discussion in 'Modelling' started by Trux, Jul 1, 2015.
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Well done Mike, this must have taken ages?
Not finished yet Lawrence. After I have finished the trailers there are still the modified conventional vehicles and bodies for US built vehicles.
First two 10 Series that were overlooked.
CMP 10D bodies for trailers.
Apologies for the poor quality. Since trailers are seldom seen I thought I should post them anyway.
CMP trailers without body codes, but with whole vehicle codes.
Two low loader semi trailers.
Two wheel trailers.
Still with you Mike.....had to go out and get another binder.
I am expecting some great models from you Neil.
This should of course read:
'some MORE great models'.
Where it all began.
The first of the vehicles that would eventually become the Canadian Military Pattern series. This is the prototype Ford 15cwt. Using a Ford 1ton commercial chassis with WD wheels, a body based on the WD 15cwt and an open cab this could be mistaken for a British 15cwt. Photographed here in Windsor, Ontario, in 1937. In 1938 a new closed cab version was made. In the background can just be seen Detroit on the other side of the river. This shows how geographically close the US and Canadian motor manufacturing plants were.
One that did not make it.
It was intended that Canadian military vehicles would follow British designs as closely as possible. This is the Ford 6 X 4 Field Artillery Tractor. The body was a close copy of the WD pattern and the rear suspension assembly was copied from that used on contemporary British vehicles. This 1938 prototype remained a one off as British policy changed to favouring 4 X 4 Quad tractors and Canada followed suit.
Of course Chevrolet also made prototypes of these vehicles.
Wow....talk about pressure Mike :wink:. Actually, I'm working on a few US trucks in Canadian service including an NM Gun Tractor towing a 5.5" Howitzer, a DT975 Machinery towing a generator and a DT969 Wrecker. I do have a 12 Cab and a 13 Cab and wheels to build around so will have to choose which bodies to do. I also have a 6 wheel 13 Cab/Chassis to put a body on so plenty to do and your postings have provided plenty of inspiration.
I'm looking forward to the upcoming installment of bodies/vehicles of US built vehicles.
Trux CMP Handbook Part 'D'.
Canadian Modified Conventional Vehicles.
Strictly speaking these are not CMP vehicles but they do have CMP bodies.
5 Series bodies for Canadian Modified Conventional vehicles.
Complete Canadian Modified Conventional vehicles.
Chevrolet or Ford?
Although both Chevrolet and Ford used the same front end metalwork there were a number of minor differences which allow them to be told apart.
The pattern of the radiator grill mesh was diagonal for Chevrolet and square for Ford.
The radiator grill badge was the Chevrolet design for Chevrolet and the Ford oval for Ford.
The radiator guard springs were double leaf for Chevrolet and laminated for Ford.
The radiator overflow was exposed on the nearside of the bonnet on the Chevrolet but was under the bonnet on the Ford. Chevrolet moved theirs under the bonnet in 1943.
The horn is exposed on the off side of the chassis on the Ford.
Inside the cab:
The steering wheel had a wooden rim for the Chevrolet and black rubber for the Ford.
Instruments were each companies commercial pattern until 1943.
The Chevrolet. This is 8cwt HUP.
The Ford. This the tractor for the 6ton semi trailers.
Note the round holes which were a feature of CMP bumpers. These originally had reflective discs in red and green. The discs did not survive long on active service and seem to have been discontinued but the holes were retained.
PS. The above differences did not always continue after a vehicle had been in the workshops. It was even known for vehicles to be factory fitted with parts from the other manufacturer.
CMP 8 Series bodies for Diamond T 975 6 X 6 201" wheelbase chassis.
There are no complete vehicle drawings since the chassis is not Canadian.
The one and only 9 Series body.
Of course Canadian production was not limited to wheeled or soft skin vehicles. Considerable numbers of Carriers were produced by Ford. Larger vehicles included Valentines, Rams and Sextons. Wheeled armour included the Otter, Lynx, Fox and armoured 15cwt.
I include details of the last two simply because they are good looking and available (no giggling at the back).
Fox Armoured Car.
CMP vehicles were built in large numbers and shipped to many parts of the world.
How were CMP vehicles shipped?
What happened to CMP vehicles after the war?
There are some vehicles missing from this collection. If anyone comes across more please share them.
Feel free to add anything about CMP vehicles.
Thank you Mike for sharing this CMP Handbook with us. I now have two binders full of the information right from day one. Now the pressure is on to start producing some models with some of the bodies shown in the handbook.......fun times ahead. In the line-up as mentioned is a Diamond T975 with a machinery body (likely an 8C1) towing a generator.
Thank you, Mike.
This is an unbelievable amount of information!
Apart from downloading I started to put the information into tables, just to find my way through.
Thank you for a very interesting 6 weeks' period.
Mike, I would like to add my thanks.
and a question (only one, so far) regarding the Modified Conventional Vehicles - do you have any information on the differences between the Ford, Chevy & Dodge cabs?
They look very similar in profile but I seem to recall that the front ends were different.
Thank you all.
I am pleased that the material has been downloaded and preserved on disc and on paper. It would be a pity if it disappeared.
Noel as usual asks a good question with no simple answer. Cab 21 applies to at least six cabs and front ends. Each manufacturer (Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge) used pressings from their commercial range. Following US sales methods there was a model change each autumn but only 1941 and 1942 Models concern us here. The main difference between the years was that headlamps were in all cases faired into the wings in 1942 but were separate items on stalks in 1941.
I will try to find photos of each from the same angle for comparison. For now I would say that Ford was 'chunkier', Dodge was 'sleeker' and Chevrolet had a grin.
1942 Model front ends for Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge.
In this case a picture really is worth a thousand words.
You would not believe how difficult it is to find a good full frontal view (stop giggling) of the Ford. None of these pictures are from WWII.
The Chevrolet is an artists drawing of one captured and in German service. The Ford and Dodge are restored examples.
Oops. The Chevrolet is an earlier version. It is a Chevrolet though.
I Have some catching up to do, I have been without a pc since my last post, tearing my hair out- its been back to the shop who sold it to me in manchester twice- must have cost them a small fortune in courier charges !!! hopefully tomorrow I can start downloading.
Yes Ted, computers have still a long way to go. I think I spend more on technical help for ours than I spend on my car. Of course people will tell me that I can do all the clever things myself if I take the trouble to learn how. The same was true of cars 50 years ago. I could do most routine things like clean plugs and leads etc, and often had to. I have never opened the bonnet on my present car.
Anyway I am glad you are back with us.
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