UK Camps

Discussion in 'Prisoners of War' started by GRW, Sep 10, 2006.

  1. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist

    Anyone else interested in Italian/German camps in the UK? I have a pretty comprehensive list for WW2, and good list for 1919.
    Trying to broaden my knowledge of the WW2 variety at the moment, but it's still at an early stage. Also interested in internment camps in Britain.
     
  2. Kitty

    Kitty Very Senior Member

    Watcha mate. Got anything on the Italian POW camp near Knutsford, Cehshire. Something Hall. Will Edit when I remember the name. :D
     
  3. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist

    Kitty,
    You mean Camp #2 at Toft Hall? There was also a Main Holding Camp (#24) listed at Knutsford, but I don't know offhand if they were the same place.
    Main holding camps were for prisoners who had been vetted and assessed either Black (Nazi), Grey (Unclear) or White (anti-Nazi) while they awaited being transferred. Usually the die-hard Nazis were shipped as far north as possible.
    I'll have a delve later and see what else I can find.
     
  4. Kitty

    Kitty Very Senior Member

    Toft Hall, that's the bunny. The Italians worked on farms all around here, and when the guards brought them into town to buy supplies they would stand there and watch the Italian POW's testing the fit of shotguns in their shoulders and such. Very strange.
     
  5. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist

    It could only happen here! :D
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Gordon, What have you got on Swindon?
    My Mum remembers the Italian POWs at the County Ground, (home of STFC)
    Also, read of one at Kembrey Street.
     
  7. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist

    Owen,
    I got the following from a quick trawl;
    #160 Lydiard Park, Purton
    #289 Lydiard House, Lydiard Millicent (I'm presuming these are the same place)
    #674 Stratton Factory
    #695 Bergard Barracks, Shrivenham
    When I compiled the list, I thought I was being terribly clever re-arranging them into the current counties. It just complicates things, so at some point I'm going to have to put them back into the pre-1974 counties.
     
  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Thanks Gordon, that was quick.
     
  9. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist

    Couple of corrections Owen;
    #160 was a military hospital (probably a secure ward)
    #289 was a working camp associated with this.
    #638 & #674 were actually at Stratton St. Margaret I believe, the NGR is given for the Stratton Factory.
    #695 was actually Horgard Barracks in Shrivenham.

    Same for you, Kitty;
    #2 was in parkland to the NE of Toft Hall.
    #24 was actually at No. 4 General Military Hospital, Knutsford, and not a main holding camp.
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Gordon any idea what NGR was?
     
  11. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist

    Sorry! That's National Grid Reference, or map ref., in the Queen's English! :D
     
  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Ok.
    should've know that
     
  13. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Gordon.

    Do you have any info on the camp above Oswaldtwistle near Accrington in Lancashire? I'm on personal terms with some of the ex-inmates from there who decided to stay after the war and some of their descendants. Much evidence of this camp still remains today in the fields above Ozzy.

    Cheers,

    Dave
     
  14. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist

    Dave,
    I'm not getting anything under either Accrington or Oswaldtwistle. Do you know what name the camp went under?
     
  15. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Try "Stanhill Camp" - that's what it was known as locally anyway (whether it's official or not, I don't know).

    Cheers,

    Dave
     
  16. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    [​IMG]
    Above: Plan of a typical POW camp used to house German prisoners on the British mainland. This particular camp shows the plan of Stanhill Camp which was situated on the Stanhill Road in Knuzden between Blackburn and Oswaldwistle in Lancashire, Northern England. The numbered parts of the camp are as follows:
    1. Pill Box
    2. POW Barracks
    3. Latrines
    4. Ammunition Stores
    5. Canteen
    6. Camp Office
    7. Chapel
    8. Kitchen
    10. Guard Barracks
    11. POW Barracks
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Some info on Lydiard Park camp.
    SwindonWeb - Swindon's Heritage - D-Day
    There was even a temporary camp and hospital at Lydiard Park - on the land now used for sports, to the left of the drive at the Hook Street entrance to the park. The hospital chapel and mortuary were roughly where today's Visitor Centre stands.

    The camp was destined to be converted to a prisoner of war camp for Germans captured during the liberation of Europe, but, on D-Day, its hospital was preparing to receive casualties
     
  18. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Thanks for the plan Spidge. Any idea which publication that's from? There is a local book showing a plan of the camp, but this is slightly different (possibly different years).

    What neither show, however, is that the AA battery on the left was a totally different entity to the camp and completely seperate from it. The crew's accommodation is never mentioned for some reason.

    Cheers,

    Dave
     
  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  20. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Thanks Owen.

    I'd actually seen that website, but the plan is obviously from somewhere else originally (it looks like a scanned image to me). I was just wondering which publication it was originally to be found in.

    Cheers

    dave
     

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