Vandals throw paint over RAF Bomber Command Memorial in London's Green Park

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by CL1, Jan 21, 2019.

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  1. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    I note, with no condemnation (people may do as they please with their bodies and it's none of my business) that the person who did this is transgender.

    It's clear from history what the Nazis would have done to such people if they had not been defeated at the cost of many RAF lives. It's the same thing they did to the Jews, the disabled, the Romany, the Slavs, the homosexuals, the socialists and all the other groups they hated.

    People who deface memorials do not care. They do not care because they do not know. And they do not know because they do not think.
     
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  2. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    And probably not taught either. World War II should be part of the curriculum.These people are the thin end of the wedge, slowly they change things and in 10 20 years time WWII never happened. You cannot and must not change history it is what it is - just learn from it.

    Cheers

    Kevin
     
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  3. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    WW1 and WW2 is part of the curriculum in schools as is lots of history. My son is only six and in year one he learned about Florence Nightingale and Mary Seacole in the Crimean War.
     
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  4. Grasmere

    Grasmere Well-Known Member

    It's about lack of respect, pure and simple.
     
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  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Big style.
    This thing that 'it's not taught in schools' persists, though. As seen here repeatedly over the years.
    Both my boys, now 16 & 19 did aspects of WW1 & WW2 in school, with a particular focus on remembrance in primary.
    Very very few will not encounter the subject area at all in UK schools, but you can't educate the ineducable or the ideologue. The people that do these things are arses who think what they think regardless.
     
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  6. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Not sure the kids in Italy would do the same? I've never seen them deface a memorial! I can think of a bridge that they have sprayed graffiti on a shoulder. If only they knew the importance of the bridge that was rebuilt?

    I could understand if they could graffiti the bridge that depicts the carnage that took place? Its not likely.

    Regards,
    Stu. Edit, I hope I'm not proved wrong when its comes to the Italians ?
     
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  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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  8. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Majority of the accounts I've read about graffiti, destruction, using memorials as toilets, etc. - done by adults. Lack of education? I was not taught about WW2 at school. I didn't even opt for O Level History and yet I've never felt compelled to deface or destroy a memorial or headstone out of boredom/hatred, or to protest. (I did join a WW2 forum which tries to keep the WW2-related as its focus.)

    Just cos you visit a country and have not seen things taking place, does not mean that they never do. The laws against it might be slightly different but people are the essentially same wherever you go, in whatever time. From Roman graffiti to Viking runes carved in Byzantine churches to wealthy educated Brits on grand tours etching their names onto monuments. Nothing sacred to the thoughtless, bored, angry or selfish.

    Sorry Stu, from a very cursory google in English though other less targeted non-'political' examples probably exist.
    https://www.thelocal.it/20190426/memorials-to-italian-resistance-vandalized-on-liberation-day
     
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  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Indeed, this weekend Jacob's fundraising made national media outlets including Sky News. It was tweeted a few times by Sky News and some people tweeted Jacobs parents are cunts (They were right about one of us), If I see this kid doing the walk I'll punch his face in (That would be hard for someone to do being GCS 3 and waiting for a pre alert to the nearest resus dept), his parents need reporting to social services, his parents are grooming a Hitler, blah blah blah. I've seen a lot of shit in my 52 years of walking this planet but never have I seen so much hatred towards a six year old child with people actually wanting to hurt him for basically learning the value of giving to others less fortunate than him.
     
  10. BrianHall1963

    BrianHall1963 Well-Known Member

    The keyboard warriors , you sons a credit to you well done
     
  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    :(
    Sad too hear that .
    Just had a family chat about it.
     
  12. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    This is rather sad indeed. Dipsticks. dbf, can you please notify Janet Kinrade Dethick of this? Forum member Vittellino that is. I left school with no GCSE's. Not sure why you need to mention ( I did join a WW2 forum which tries to keep the WW2-related as its focus?) I think we all do that? Me neither was taught anything about WW2 at school & not much else because it bored me to death.

    I can think of another forum member who has spent many years in Italy & will be disgusted at this. I can't disagree with anything else that you have said. I still stand by what i said with regards to the kids doing Graffiti. Its OK for the likes of banksy to do what he does. My Old Queen would have clipped me around the back of my head if I had defaced any memorial.

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Stu we all followed different paths with our family at school and at work.

    The bottom line is if you live in a bubble and have never been taught the concept of consequence then no matter if you cant read or write ( graffitti would be pictures not writing) of have the highest educational degree in the land then you do not have a concept of consequence .So you become immune to all around you and an easy option is to deface something knowing the only thing likely to happen to you is a slap on the wrist.
    You then have the agitators anti establishment who hate this and that and do the same
    You then have the little gimps whose mom and da funded then through life and again think the bubble they are in wont burst and can carry out any action they like because they think they are above the law.

    Luckily they are in the minority but usually raise the news noise

    The other thing that happened to Andys young lad is another level and these freaks would not do this outside in the real world we all know this.The social media platforms are alive with this .I stay away from them because my moral compass would turn and I fear I would be banned or something else in the hunt for these individuals.
    We all dont like bullies and all this form of stuff is bullying in one shape or another

    So in conclusion the whole world has this type of person and we are aware we dont accept it but hope the law will work eventually.


    Onwards and upwards


    Dont look where you have been look where you are going.

    regards

    Clive
     
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  14. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Clive, OK.

    I will leave it alone & enough said.

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
  15. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    I joined Twitter with the sole aim of contacting fellow relatives of my grandfathers' units--and for that purpose it has served very well--but so few users are able to maintain 'signal discipline' ("I usually don't comment on politics, but on this one occasion...") that I've inevitably been exposed to the daily tides of sneering and sniping that pass for public discourse in the Anglosphere.

    Everybody recalls being told as a child how, beneath the thuggish exterior, the average bully is unhappy and insecure; well, with the anonymity, distance and impunity that Twitter offers, it perfectly channels normal people's worst drives. Studies have shown that although there are some deeply unpleasant people online (as there would be in any social group), a great number of the most egregiously horrible live startlingly normal lives when not vomiting virtual bile on strangers.

    Despite welcome chinks of sunlight, for the most part it's like seeing everybody at the worst time of their worst day: fear, jealousy, competitiveness and spite served up in full view of all.
     
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  16. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Kids being kids, or perhaps some older folk? I'd rather they had not. If only they knew how sacred this rebuilt bridge is to all that fought in the Anzio Campaign? Note the memorial. Been lucky enough to run across this bridge a few times dodging the mad Italian drivers. Me being a idiot? Of course I am! The memorials are well worth the hassle.
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    Its what i mean by Graffiti on a shoulder of a bridge. If only they could depict the carnage has i mentioned in my post 15?

    Stu.
     
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  17. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    Never put down to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance or stupidity.
     

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