WW2 Civilian death criteria

Discussion in 'Non-Commemorated War Dead' started by temptage, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Just thinking aloud, but what if Mr Francis had suffered a stomach wound in WW1 that subsequently claimed his life? Born in 1897, he'd have been of military age from 1915? Plenty of time to have suffered from "enemy action" .....
    In the family, that could have been felt as the actual cause of death, through enemy action in WW1.....
     
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  2. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    CWGC will not accept that a stomach disorder was caused by enemy action without other evidence

    Chris
     
  3. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Thanks, Chris, I understand that, but just putting an idea as to why the family stated his death was due to enemy action, when to all our current knowledge it was a stomach disorder. Why would they say it, otherwise? Was it just the stone mason putting the same words for both in error?
     
  4. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Yes I see what you mean now
     
  5. temptage

    temptage I thought it would only take a few weeks......

    Ive just realised I never did elaborate any further on this OP. This is the cutting from the local newspaper

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    Easey, Edward William.JPG
     
  6. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Drop me an e mail and we get this one sorted.

    Chris
     
  7. ARPCDHG

    ARPCDHG Member

    'Civilian Deaths Due To War Operations' gets even more confusing with the Home Guard.

    When I was researching my book 'To The Last Round: The Leicestershire and Rutland Home Guard 1940-1945' (Breedon Books, 2007), I found 6 Leicestershire Home Guards were listed on the CWGC database as having died/been killed whilst on duty. However, further research reading through wartime issues of the Leicester Mercury identified another 13 local Home Guards who died whilst on service duty who are not on the CWGC roll. This Home Guard fell into a pit in the blackout whilst on sentry duty during the blackout and was given an official war grave:
     

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  8. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Care to contact me off forum to discuss?
     
  9. ARPCDHG

    ARPCDHG Member

    How do you PM on here? I went to your profile but there was no PM button. Do you wnt to PM me?
     
  10. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    This thread on the forum involves a similar case to the one in wich Edward William Easy was killed. Three children killed as a mortar bomb that had been scavanged from a training ground near Bangor, Wales, was played being dismantled by one of them.
    Maj. Charles Longueville Willding Jones CCTU - map ref help
    All three are on the CWGC Civilian register.
     
  11. Wesley Wright

    Wesley Wright Member

    During 2nd World War for about 6 months 300,000 American Troops were stationed in Northern Ireland. I know of at least 3 men were killed when in contact with American Trucks/Jeeps--should they be on Civilian War Dead?? + one Nurse knocked down by American Jeep in London.
    Wesley Wright
     
  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Hello Wesley if you could put their names up I am sure forum members could assist further

    regards
    Clive
     
  13. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Sorry, but accidents with normal road vehicles are not eligible for CWD status. The accident must involve a weapon of war.

    Chris
     
  14. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Just a point regarding service deaths not involving enemy action.

    I am aware of this airman,who was killed when returning to Hemswell from his Scunthorpe home. His motor bike hit a stationary unlit car in the blackout on a road adjacent to the airfield.(Middle Street,the B 1398 which runs on the Lincolnshire Ridge from Lincoln to Scunthorpe)

    At the inquest it transpired that the car was parked up with a RAF Sergeant and WAAF consorting in the car.The Sergeant was severely criticised by LAC Douglas's father at the inquest for parking up in this manner.

    LAC Douglas is remembered by the CWGC.

    Casualty Details | CWGC
     
  15. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member

    Chris Harley is the guru of all things related to this sort of thing , but this one I can help with . If you were in the RAF September 3rd 1939 to December 31st 1947 and died , be it from enemy action or by suicide you are eligible for commemoration .
    If you are a civilian killed in a “ normal “ accident not due to war causes , then you’re not , even if it’s caused by an RAF truck .
    Chris has rejected many of my proposals but for example he is considering a 1946 one where two lads were killed tampering with a blind 2 inch mortar bomb they’d found , if they’d been run over by the bomb disposal Truck en route to the same mortar bomb they’d be ineligible , if the RE, RAF or RN bomb disposal guy driving the truck suffered a heart attack climbing out of it , he’d be eligible
     
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  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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