783860 Karam Dad, 7 Mule Coy., Royal Indian Army Service Corps: 02/12/1943

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  1. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    This soldier was a mule drive with 7 Mule Coy, Royal Indian Army Service Corps

    He died on 2nd Dec 1932 at a goods siding yard from internal Injuries at Knock Station (Knockdhu Distillery)

    Anybody any info on Karam Dad / 7th Mule Coy war diary for that date?

  2. Owen

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  3. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    Thanks Owen,

    I have this info, death cert, some news articles etc. I was hoping for more details on cause of death etc.
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  5. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    Thanks CL1

    I did consider that, or possibly injured by an animal whilst trying to load it.

    Equally it's documented that in one instance one person shot another due to a grudge.
  6. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    also the death cert says 24 (and name Karan), also a BBC story had him age 29....
  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Have you checked newspaper archives?
  8. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Karam Dad
    Death Date: 2 Dec 1943
    Death Place: Keith, Moray, Scotland
    Cemetery: Grange Graveyard
    Burial or Cremation Place: Grange, Moray, Scotland
    Has Bio?: Y
    Karam Dad (unknown-1943) - Find A Grave Memorial
    According to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, Karam Dad (Service Number 783860) was the son of Son of Rahmat Khan, of Chak Pinana, Gujrat, Pakistan. He served with 7 Mule Coy, Royal Indian Army Service Corps and died on 2 December 1943, aged 22. [https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2459666/karam-dad,-/]
    According to his death record, Karam was living at Distillery Camp in Grange and died from 'internal injuries and accidental shock' at Knock Railway Sidings. His death was entered in the statutory register at the time as "Karan Dad".

    Also the link states the inscription reads:
    783860 Driver / KARAM DAD / Royal Indian / Army Service Corps / 2nd December 1943 Age 22

    Is it possible to see the acxtual death certificate 'cause of death'?

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  10. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member


    The last unnatural death happened in no. 7 Coy after the last extant War Diary was written.
    The disused Knock distillery where the company was based was then served by a railway line
    running between Keith and Banff. The statutory death record states that Karan Dad died on
    2nd December 1943 of internal injuries and shock arising from an accident at the Knock
    railway sidings. He died at the scene and was buried in Grange cemetery, Banff.

    Still doesnt really explain what happened, whether he was hit by equipment, rolling stock or animals

    Wondering as it was December if there was snow and ice about that perhaps he hadnt come across before and therefore slipped etc- would depend which part of Pakistan he was from I guess
  12. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    Hi Tricky

    It seems they lost a few people to avoidable situations....

    A search party from 157 Field Ambulance Royal Army Medical Corps found the body of driver Khan Mohammad who had died of exposure at the head of Coire Ruadh on the northwest flank of Carn Ban Mor (3443 feet). The War Diary recorded that "the body was not clothed in the full scale of mountain warfare clothing, contrary to unit orders issued". Today this behaviour is recognised as a symptom of hypothermia. The body was removed to the IGH at Aviemore and buried at Kingussie on 18th October. A 'lessons learned' report by no. 7 Coy, which also participated in 'Sphinx', states that the men were not properly fed and their clothing was inadequate for the severe wind and wet encountered. A Court of Enquiry into the death was held on 22nd October.
  13. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Thats frustrating it only goes up to Oct 1943 (there are ones for 1941 and 1942) https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2128382 but I wonder then if there was a Court of Inquiry in this instance, but possibly all the records are long gone. I would assume that someone, somewhere had to write a report on what happened but where that would be today .................


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