Canadian Army Overseas - Signals Organization and War Establishments

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  1. Pronto91

    Pronto91 Canadian Signals Researcher

    Not sure how much interest there is but just in case I wanted to let everyone know that I'm in the process of adding Royal Canadian Corps of Signals related Canadian Army Overseas organization and war establishments to

    I'll be adding more war establishments but if there are any someone wants to see sooner rather than later, just let me know. The Signals organization I have is from CAO Routine Order 4234 as is effective to 15 January 1944. If someone has others (3844, 4001 and 4108 are referenced in 4234) and can provide them, I'd appreciate it!

    Link #1: Canadian Army Overseas - Signals composition -
    Link #2: Canadian Army Overseas - War Establishments -
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  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Well done Joe and thank you for posting

  3. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    My thanks as well. I did try to get hold of the Canadian ASSU WEs a while ago but didn't get them in the end, so it's good to find them in what you've posted. I imagine you've already got them but I do have the RCA Sig Secs for a non-Div Fd Regt and for a Med Regt, RCA, both 1944-45 vintage if they're any use.

  4. JohnS

    JohnS Senior Member

    Gary: they are not easy to find. FYI: I published all of the war establishments for the Royal Canadian Engineers in a couple of volumes a number of years ago. It took years of digging to find them all. It even took a visit to the NAL in Ottawa.
  5. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    I've dipped into the Canadian WEs over a very long period, which all has to be done remotely as I'm in the UK and can't get a bus to Ottawa (thankfully I found a very good researcher). Given the way the Canadian WE records are filed it's difficult to get a specific WE table, but on the plus side they did keep the majority of the associated amendments, which sadly wasn't the case over here.

    I'm sure I've seen your book in past web searches on WEs. My few RCE tables are for the 1944-45 Div units.

  6. JohnS

    JohnS Senior Member

    FYI: most of the Canadian WEs in WWII were based on British WEs and I suspect that most of the other Commonwealth's countries are as well. The major exception was the 6th Inf. Div. as it prepared to fight the Japanese in 1945. They reorganized to US TO&E.

    I have your book on the airborne engineer WEs, which really helped with my books on the engineers of Operation Market Garden. Good job!
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  7. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    I am not sure if you have discovered the section of War Establishments at Heritage Canadiana under the 1946 Army Central Registry.

    If you have not already, check out the following:

    1946 Army Central Registry - Héritage

    Reels C-4889 to C-4974 deal with WEs
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  8. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    Glad you liked the WE book, seems forever ago now.

    The Canadian archives do indeed have a full set of US Army T/O&Es for the Infantry Division, at least as it stood in early 1945. Unfortunately the way the originals were converted into microfilm records has made them practically unreadable. It would have saved me a great deal of time and effort if I could have used the Canadian copies for my US T/O&E interests. The Canadian documents fared a little better, but not much.

  9. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    Thanks for the link, I don't think it's one I've seen before. I had the briefest of looks through given the amount of pages, and my computer was having trouble loading them, and most of the few I accessed were Volume IV and V tables, for Line of Communication and Home Forces units respectively. Also a few Volume I and II (Armoured and Infantry Divisions) for 1940-41.

  10. JohnS

    JohnS Senior Member

    No, I didn't know about that one either. Thanks.
  11. Pronto91

    Pronto91 Canadian Signals Researcher

    Site updates for the RCCS/Signals WEs that I have in my possession are now posted. 54 in total.. If anyone has others, or other versions of those posted, and can contribute, please let me know.

    Thanks Dryan67 for the link. I'll now go through those to see what I may have missed while at LAC.

    For reference, the Canadian Army Overseas organization lists I was looking for are in file 1/FORMATIONS/10 which is available online: Canadian Military Headquarters, London : T-17830 - Héritage
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  12. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Thanks, Joe.
  13. Pronto91

    Pronto91 Canadian Signals Researcher

    Still on the hunt for the following WE:

    CDN/III/30D - Technical Maintenance Section
    CDN/III/301 - Headquarters Line of Communication Signals
    CDN/III/312 - Headquarters First Canadian Army Signals
    CDN/IV/27B - Base Signal Section
    CDN/IV/113 - Canadian Signal Replacement Unit
    W/74 - Royal Canadian Corps of Signals Band
  14. Pronto91

    Pronto91 Canadian Signals Researcher

    I'm happy to report that after (belatedly) following dryan67's advice
    I have at least one version of all known SWW Canadian Army Overseas Signals related WEs posted - 61 in total. Lots other versions and amendments turned up along the way (along with Home WE) so I'll be adding these to the site over the next while.
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  15. Pronto91

    Pronto91 Canadian Signals Researcher

    Ok, never say "all known" because it will jinx it. I'm continuing to go through the volumes suggested by dryan67 and I'm now at 70 different overseas establishments related to Canadian Signals with 690 pages posted so far.
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