Friendly "Enemy Alien" Paybooks

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  1. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I've managed to pick up a few of these over the years, my latest one has given me a nudge to so a thread showing them in case anyone can add any info - on a couple I have found family trees revealing they lost immediate family in the Camps but on others I haven't been able to find anything but I'm sure there are stories to be told (I just need to keep looking)

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    Max John Tandlau serving as Tendlow, a German Jew originally from Hamburg but later in Wiesbaden, after Kristallnacht he was arrested and imprisoned in Dachau, within 6 months he had been released and travelled to England via Sweden where he was reunited with his wife and son. He served in the Pioneer Corps
     
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  2. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

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    Gustav Metzker, an Austrian from Vienna, he doesn't seem to be Jewish (although the R.C. entry against religion could be cover) I'm not sure why he came to the UK but he served in the Pioneer Corps then RAOC
     
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  3. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

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    Wilhelm Braun serving as William Winston Brown in 6th Airborne Armoured Recconaisance Squadron – an Austrian Jew from Vienna – his parents were sent to the Lodz Ghetto where they were killed
     
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  4. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

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    Ludwig Israel serving as Louis Israel, I'm not sure if his surname was actually Israel or if this was based on the German law forcing all Jewish men to take this as their surname, he was a German Jew from Berlin he served in 248 Company Pioneer Corps
     
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  5. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

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    Wilhelm Franz Weiss there is a different name and number noted at the top, this appears to be an alias he used, an Austrian Jew from Vienna and served in the Pioneer Corps then HAA branch of the Royal Artillery. I believe his brother died in Auschwitz and his mother in Theresienstadt Ghetto.
     
  6. Osborne2

    Osborne2 Well-Known Member

    Well done for researching the ‘enemy aliens’ many of whom were sent to the Isle of Man and despite their detention, volunteered to serve in the Pioneer Corps. Somewhere l remember that it was about 12,000? Their backstories have not been examined very much but deserve it. Not all, but very many, were Jewish and became members of war crimes investigators post war, interpreters for combat units and in POW camps. Some remarkable work done by them in the re-education programme in UK POW camps.Herbert Sulzbach and Charles Stambrook for instance.
     
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  7. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Tandlau definitely went to the IoM, for the others there is a good chance but I can't find any confirmation - all these individuals must have really interesting back stories, I've been looking on Ancestry and for family trees, also their Alien registration cards, the US Holocaust museum also has some odds and ends of info - a lot of it is just snippets about the individual in isolation though so difficult to link them to family members.
     
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  8. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Not paybooks but a couple of bits to Erwin Peter Hamburger (served as Hall) a German Jew from Berlin - he was brought to England in 1938/9 on one of the Kinder Transports and went on to serve in the Suffolks

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  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Naturalisation Certificate: Max John Tendlow. From Germany. Resident in Shipley,... | The National Archives
    Reference: HO 334/165/19556
    Description:
    Naturalisation Certificate: Max John Tendlow. From Germany. Resident in Shipley, Yorkshire. Wife's name Eva Charlotte [Tendlow or Tendlau]. Home Office Reference: T 6136. Certificate AZ19556 issued 17 September 1946. Note(s): Alias: Max John Israel Alias: Max John Tendlau.
    Date: 1946 Sept 17
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew


    There is this database on Ancestry you may know about

    About UK, World War II Alien Internees, 1939-1945
    Historical Context
    This collection provides details of foreign nationals interned by the British government during World War Two. Internment started immediately following the outbreak of war in 1939, with a small number of Germans being sent to tribunals for assessment as a potential danger to the country. This was expanded to Austrians in May 1940, and then to Italians in the same year. If deemed to be ‘high risk’, the individual was immediately interned, or deported. Those labelled as ‘doubts’ were let go but supervised and those deemed ‘low-risk’ were released. A large number of internees were made up of German and Austrian Jews. The measure of internment was scaled back toward the end of the war and by 1943-1944, most internees had been released.
    What can I find in these records?
    You may be able to find the following information (where available):
    Name
    Gender
    Date of Birth
    Date of Internment
    Date of Death
    Date of Discharge

    There are several Tendlau's these could be relatives?

    Charlotte Gertrude Tendlau 17 Oct 1886 German

    Berthold Tendlau 26 Jun 1874

    Siegfried Tendlau 25 Aug 1854 German

    Berthold Tendlau 25 Jun 1874 German

    Charlotte Gertrud Tendlau 17 Oct 1886 German

    Charlotte Gertrud Tendlau 17 Oct 1886

    Berthold Tendlau 26 Jun 1874 German


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  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Example
    UK, World War II Alien Internees, 1939-1945
    Name: Berthold Tendlau
    Gender: Male
    Nationality: German
    Birth Date: 26 Jun 1874
    Birth Place: Wiesbaden, Germany
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    TD

    Shows he was released in Nov 1940
    Name: Berthold Tendlau
    Birth Date: 26 Jun 1874
    Discharge Date: 29 Nov 1940
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  11. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I hadn't noticed Naturalisation certificates, I did see a note in the London Gazette I think that was about his name change.

    On the relatives its just difficult to confirm a link (well it seems difficult to me) - on the US Holocaust site I did find a few Tendlau's in Wiesdbaden and have found 2 ladies who died in the Holocaust whose maiden name was Tendlau one of whom has a Stolperstein memorial.
     
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  12. Tricky Dicky

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    I dont know if you have Ancestry, so have shown the one above as an example, if you need more doing then just ask. There are other files for example for Berthold but they are only accessible if you have access to the German files.

    Max John seems to have lived in Yorkshire where he died

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Max John Tendlow
    Death Age: 83
    Birth Date: 14 May 1899
    Registration Date: Apr 1983
    [May 1983]
    [Jun 1983]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration District: Bradford
    Inferred County: West Yorkshire
    Volume: 4
    Page: 0281

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  13. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I've got Ancestry and have the Alien cards - not sure about German access, I haven't noticed any files jumping out that I can't open - on Weiss I found a family tree on GENUKI (which I've seen in passing but never really looked at) and it had his family with birth dates but no death details except his Mother and Brother (who were killed in the Holocaust as mentioned) I do wonder about the others as they may also have been victims, I probably need to check them against other sites.

    Max's son has an obituary on this link (page 14) https://ajr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/5904-AJR-Journal-Feb-2019-FINAL.pdf which gives some details on his Dad which was very useful
     
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  14. Tricky Dicky

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    UK, World War II Alien Internees, 1939-1945
    Name: Ludwig Israel
    Gender: Male
    Nationality: German
    Birth Date: 7 Aug 1904
    Birth Place: Berlin, Germany
    Discharge Date: 5 Nov 1940
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    1939 England and Wales Register
    Name: Ludwig Isreal
    Gender: Male
    Marital Status: Single
    Birth Date: 7 Aug 1904
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 69 Raglan Court
    Residence Place: Wembley, Middlesex, England
    Occupation: (Optics) Agent Commercial Traveller
    Line Number: 37
    Schedule Number: 271
    Sub Schedule Number: 3
    Enumeration District: BWCW
    Borough: Wembley
    Registration district: 130/1.
    Inferred Father:
    Oscar Isreal
    Inferred Mother:
    Blance Isreal
    Household Members Age
    Oscar Isreal 64
    Blance Isreal 60
    Ludwig Isreal 35
    Heinz Isreal 33
    Hella Isreal 24


    TD

    Just found this but cant access the actual file
    Germany, Index of Jews Whose German Nationality was Annulled by Nazi Regime, 1935-1944
    Name: Ludwig Israel
    Birth Date: 7 Aug 1904
    Birth Place: Weißensee
    Last Residence: Schöneberg

    As mentioned need a wider subscription to access some of these files/records
     
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  15. Tricky Dicky

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    Name: Gustav Metzker . Date of Birth: 15/4/1904 . Place of Birth: Vienna
    Name: Gustav Metzker . Date of Birth: 15/4/1904 . Place of Birth: Vienna . | The National Archives
    Reference: HO 396/61/101
    Description:
    Name: Gustav Metzker. Date of Birth: 15/4/1904. Place of Birth: Vienna.
    Date: [1939-1942]
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

    States it can be downloaded for free from Find My Past

    TD


    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Gustav Johann Metzker
    Death Age: 72
    Birth Date: 15 Apr 1904
    Registration Date: Jul 1976
    [Aug 1976]
    [Sep 1976]
    Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
    Registration District: Southport
    Inferred County: Merseyside
    Volume: 37
    Page: 0330


    1939 England and Wales Register
    Name: Gustav Metzker
    Gender: Male
    Marital Status: Married
    Birth Date: 15 Apr 1904
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 23 Chatsworth Road
    Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
    Occupation: No Occupation (Accountant)
    Line Number: 2
    Schedule Number: 317
    Sub Schedule Number: 5
    Enumeration District: BXGB
    Borough: Willesden
    Registration district: 129-2
     
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  17. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Cheers for the extra info TD, I need to sit down and try write it all out (and stop getting distracted by checking other odds and ends) - thanks again for your help with these
     
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  18. Tricky Dicky

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    This guys interesting - hardly an Austrian name

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: William Winston Brown
    Death Age: 86
    Birth Date: 30 Mar 1909
    Registration Date: Nov 1995
    Registration District: Reading and Wokingham
    Inferred County: Berkshire
    Register Number: B37A
    District and Subdistrict: 3201B
    Entry Number: 208


    Naturalisation Certificate: William Winston Brown. From Austria. Resident in Reading,... | The National Archives
    Reference: HO 334/174/24325
    Description:
    Naturalisation Certificate: William Winston Brown. From Austria. Resident in Reading, Berkshire. Wife's name Hedwig [Brown or Braun]. Home Office Reference: B 17880. Certificate AZ24325 issued 9 April 1947. Note(s): Alias: Wilhelm Braun.
    Date: 1947 Apr 9
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Language: English
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

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  19. Tricky Dicky

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    Wilhelm Weiss . Date of Birth: 07/7/1903 . Place of Birth: Vienna
    Name: Wilhelm Weiss . Date of Birth: 07/7/1903 . Place of Birth: Vienna . | The National Archives
    Reference: HO 396/100/189
    Description:
    Name: Wilhelm Weiss. Date of Birth: 07/7/1903. Place of Birth: Vienna.
    Date: [1939-1942]
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    This file is from the series - Subseries within HO 396 - INTERNEES AT LIBERTY IN UK
    FMP has this file available for download

    I think this may relate to the same man
    Naturalisation Certificate: Wilhelm Weiss. From Austria. Resident in London. Certificate... | The National Archives
    Reference: HO 334/316/812
    Description:
    Naturalisation Certificate: Wilhelm Weiss. From Austria. Resident in London. Certificate BNA812 issued 1 February 1949.
    Date: 1949 Feb 1
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Language: English
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    This being his actual naturalisation file


    UK, World War II Alien Internees, 1939-1945
    Name: Wilhelm Weiss
    Gender: Male
    Nationality: German
    Birth Date: 7 Jul 1903
    Birth Place: Vienna, Austria
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    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: William Francis Whiteley
    Death Age: 74
    Birth Date: 7 Jul 1903
    Registration Date: Apr 1978
    [May 1978]
    [Jun 1978]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration District: Camden
    Inferred County: Greater London
    Volume: 14
    Page: 1598


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  20. Tricky Dicky

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    Subseries within HO 396 - INTERNEES AT LIBERTY IN UK
    Reference: HO 396/33/20
    Description:
    Name: Erwin Israel Hamburger. Date of Birth: 22/10/1925. Place of Birth: Berlin.
    Date: [1939-1942]
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

    Downloadable from FMP


    UK, Selected Records Relating to Kindertransport, 1938-1939 (USHMM)
    Name: Erwin Hamburger
    Gender: Male
    Record Type: Refugee List
    Birth Date: 22 Okt 1925 (22 Oct 1925)
    Residence Place: Berlin
    Document Date: 30 Jan 1939
    Document Place: Hamburg
    Permit Number: 2608
    Holocaust Survivors and Victims Database -- Erwin Hamburger


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    Looks as though he emigrated to USA after WW2, dont have access to US records

    U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
    Erwin Peter Hall

    California, U.S., Death Index, 1940-1997
    Erwin Peter Hall

    U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
    Erwin P. Hall

    California, U.S., Federal Naturalization Records, 1843-1999
    Erwin Peter Hall

    U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960
    Erwin Peter Hall

    U.S., Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
    Erwin Peter Hall

    U.S., Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1
    E Peter Hall
     
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