HALIFAX MkV LL 114 - Crash

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  1. Lindsay Green

    Lindsay Green Member

    All the Handley Page drawings and other records are kept by the RAF Museum and IWM. Best approach is through the RAF Museum.
     
  2. Bandy

    Bandy Junior Member

    Hi,
    After the publication of my book "CRASH HALIFAX LL114"
    I have received some messages by French readers.(Sorry the book is in French langage).

    One with the ATF6 of 5 nov. 1943.
    You can read on this one that the code operation JOHN35 is associated with a DZ near Valence.
    code name AIGUILLON / 45°02'45"N-04°56'04''E
    The problem is that all the documents that I have collected during my search give :
    Code operation JOHN35 associted with a DZ near APT
    Code name ABRIS./ 44°00'37''N-05°25'40''E.

    Is it possible to have the same code operation associated with two differents DZ ?
    Unless I am mistaken, up to now, I was sure that a code operation was attached to only one DZ.
    I need you light.
    Andy
     

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  3. Bandy

    Bandy Junior Member

    Hi,
    By chance, 77 years later after the crash I have discovered not to far the VERCORS place, a great and heavy piece of an aircraft.
    I think that is one of the four Halifax propeller hub, but I am not sure at 100%.
    What do you think about this one ?
    Andy

    Propeller hub Halifax (1).jpg
     
  4. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Andy

    It certainly appears that it is a prop shaft hub for a 3 bladed propeller.

    I cannot think the Halifax had props other than the 3 bladed prop.

    Was the hub found close to the crash site?
     
  5. Bandy

    Bandy Junior Member

    Hello,
    This summer 2022, the 9th of Auguste M. Jeffery, the nephew of the pilot Caroll, came in France and visited the graves in cemetery of Autrans.

    The speech of M. Pirat (ERRA°
    Mr Mayor
    Ladies and gentlemen representatives of the associations
    Ladies and gentlemen,
    We are honored by the presence of Mr and Mrs Jeffery. Indeed, Mr. Patrick Jeffery is the nephew of Gerald Dennis Carroll, pilot of the Halifax LL114 which crashed in Autrans on 8th February 1944.
    This family of 5 children was very hard hit during the Second World War as the three boys of the Carroll family: Michael John, Patrick Milne and Gerald Denis, all died in military service. And all three of them are buried outside of their home country. As for Gerald Denis, he lies here in the cemetery in Autrans alongside his crew, which included 4 English men and 2 Canadians.
    We can only thank and pay our respect to this family who, during the Second World War, gave their lives so that today we can live in peace and freedom in our country.
    I would add that Michael, the eldest brother, had a twin sister, Norah Ines, who is the mother of Patrick who is here with us today. She was an auxiliary in the territorial service. In addition, Kathleen, their sister, also worked in the British Army's top secret decryption center.
    To conclude, lets remember that the brave never die, but they live on in history forever.
    Thank you Mr and Mrs Jeffery for your presence here today which revives our memory of Gerald and his crew : Arthur,James,Ronald,Peter,Gordon,Kenneth who have forever marked the local history of the Vercors

    LYON Royal British Legion.jpg . Allocution de B.J. MILAR RAF association Lyon branch.JPG Patrick et Brian-John MILAR RAF LYON branch.jpg E.R.R.A..jpg
     
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  6. Bandy

    Bandy Junior Member

    The last one

    Message from Patrick Jeffery.

    I would like to thank you for all your effort in making Tuesday work so well. We both where thrilled to met you and your wife and pictures of the graveside ceremony have been seen by our family and everybody is surprised by the number present and the formality of the occasion. I will share the pictures with my cousins ie Gerald’s other nephew and nieces.
    The time in the afternoon exploring the Vercors and the resistance museum was the icing on the cake.
    Please thank the mayor and all from the RAF association and British legion who made a great impression on us.
    Many thanks from a warm Vienne
    Patrick and Margaret
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  7. Bandy

    Bandy Junior Member

    Remember Today 8 feb 2024.

    We are exactly 80 years after the night of crash of Halifax LL114.
    In the village of Autrans, we dont forget the 7 members of the crew.
    During thi year we do an exibition on the crash place to explain to the montain walkers what happen here.


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    Regards
     
  8. Adrie

    Adrie Member

    Hi Andy,

    The compass part is from a MkIXa Bombsight compass. Found one about eight years ago, but in bad shape, but with more parts of the bombsight.

    Cheers,
    Adrian
     

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