One night in 1945 an army friend of my fathers was on guard on the German/Danish border. Being 1945 he was briefed to look out for fugitive Nazi's, and IIRC he had details of some of those "most wanted". He stopped a fugitive who he recognised as being Martin Borman, but a firefight started between the British soldier and Borman and his friends. The soldier was quite certain that he had shot Martin Borman, and killed him. However, he could not recover the body as proof. About 20 years ago I did hear the Canadian Journalist/Broadcaster Milton Shulman speak on this subject on the radio. What he said was, more or less, the same story I had heard. I think Shulman had served in Field Security or Intelligence in NW Europe, so he should know. Anyone know more of this, such as the soldiers name and unit? Have there been any more theories or developments on this topic?
Originally posted by BeppoSapone@Feb 25 2004, 03:42 PM About 20 years ago I did hear the Canadian Journalist/Broadcaster Milton Shulman speak on this subject on the radio. What he said was, more or less, the same story I had heard. I think Shulman had served in Field Security or Intelligence in NW Europe, so he should know. Anyone know more of this, such as the soldiers name and unit? Have there been any more theories or developments on this topic? Further to the above post, I did a little work with a search engine, and found the name of a book in which Milton Shulman speaks of Borman. Would anyone have a copy, and be prepared to see what it says? "Shulman, Milton. Marilyn, Hitler and Me: The Memoirs of Milton Shulman. London, André Deutsch, 1998. The Canadian-born broadcaster reminisces & offers some surprising information about the fate of Martin Borman."
Hi all, Nice to see some familiar names from the ww1 forum. Milton in his book is a backer of Christopher Creighton, who in his book OPJB descibes how a bunch of British commandos led by Ian Flemming, whisk Borman away after the war. relocating him in England, and using his knowledge helped recover all the loot in Swiss bank accounts, and restored to their rightful owners. It Is said he died in south America in 1959. The book was slated at the time of release as a work of fiction. Milton in his book describes how when the book was released, Creighton life was in danger and he went to Europe to fix the matter. Getting shot in the process. Milton said he saw the wounds. Very convincing book , but probably bollocks. All the best Ian
Originally posted by Dawson@Feb 26 2004, 09:29 AM Hi all, Nice to see some familiar names from the ww1 forum. Milton in his book is a backer of Christopher Creighton, who in his book OPJB descibes how a bunch of British commandos led by Ian Flemming, whisk Borman away after the war. relocating him in England, and using his knowledge helped recover all the loot in Swiss bank accounts, and restored to their rightful owners. It Is said he died in south America in 1959. The book was slated at the time of release as a work of fiction. Milton in his book describes how when the book was released, Creighton life was in danger and he went to Europe to fix the matter. Getting shot in the process. Milton said he saw the wounds. Very convincing book , but probably bollocks. All the best Ian Ian Thanks for that. I think that I agree with your conclusion! I think that what has happened here is that Milton Shulman has written a later novel, also involving Martin Borman. I remember thinking that the date of publication given for the book in my second posting was rather late. Some 20 years ago I definately heard Shulman saying about Borman being shot by a British soldier from south London, and naming him.
In his 1947 book Defeat in the West (revised 1968, 1986), Shulman places Borman's death in Berlin on 2 May 1945, according to an account by Erich Kempka, Hitler's driver. I would have thought if Shulman really knew different, he would have said so, at least in the later revised editions. Anthony Beevor also states he was killed in Berlin, although Cornelius Ryan simply says he "mysteriously disappeared".
The case was closed a good many years ago, actually. He never made it out of Berlin. Bormann was shot by a Russian soldier, and his remains were dug up in 1972. They were identified within the last five or 10 years through DNA tests. He was likely planning his own great escape, but he never got past the Zitadelle.
The case was closed by a declaration made by a West German Court on 24 September 1973.viz "The burial of the skeleton of Reichsleiter Bormann,found on 7/8 December (1972) in Berlin (West) on the terrain of the Ulap site in the Invalidenstrasse is authorized.Cremation will not be allowed." Two bodies,identified as Martin Bormann and Ludwig Stumpfegger,the last of Hitler's doctors were found on 7/8 December 1972 when excavations were in hand for an exhibition centre to be built opposite the Lehrter Railway Station.Both skeletons were intact and carried no indication of injury.Both were found with the remains of glass cyanide tubes in their jaws.The conclusion was that they had taken poison when on the run from the Furhrerbunker on a route which was crossed the Russian lines of 2 May 1945.A statement taken in 1965 by Albert Krumnow declared that he had buried the bodies of Bormann and Stumpfegger in the area proved to be 12 metres from the actual unearthing. Bormann was identified partly by a broken shoulder injury known to have taken place in 1939 and postive identification was concluded by the referencing of dental records and by evidence from a dental laboratory technician,Fritz Echtmann who had performed work on Bormann's bridges. Simon Wiesenthal,the Nazi criminal hunter counter declared "Some doubts must remain whether the bones found in Berlin are really those of Bormann" In September 1973,the American-Hungarian writer Ladislas Farago offered proof that Bormann was living in South America.Paramount Studios bought the rights from Farago but a film production on the case has not been forthcoming.
Originally posted by Harry Ree@Dec 17 2004, 10:27 AM The case was closed by a declaration made by a West German Court on 24 September 1973.viz "The burial of the skeleton of Reichsleiter Bormann,found on 7/8 December (1972) in Berlin (West) on the terrain of the Ulap site in the Invalidenstrasse is authorized.Cremation will not be allowed." Two bodies,identified as Martin Bormann and Ludwig Stumpfegger,the last of Hitler's doctors were found on 7/8 December 1972 when excavations were in hand for an exhibition centre to be built opposite the Lehrter Railway Station.Both skeletons were intact and carried no indication of injury.Both were found with the remains of glass cyanide tubes in their jaws.The conclusion was that they had taken poison when on the run from the Furhrerbunker on a route which was crossed the Russian lines of 2 May 1945.A statement taken in 1965 by Albert Krumnow declared that he had buried the bodies of Bormann and Stumpfegger in the area proved to be 12 metres from the actual unearthing. Bormann was identified partly by a broken shoulder injury known to have taken place in 1939 and postive identification was concluded by the referencing of dental records and by evidence from a dental laboratory technician,Fritz Echtmann who had performed work on Bormann's bridges. Simon Wiesenthal,the Nazi criminal hunter counter declared "Some doubts must remain whether the bones found in Berlin are really those of Bormann" In September 1973,the American-Hungarian writer Ladislas Farago offered proof that Bormann was living in South America.Paramount Studios bought the rights from Farago but a film production on the case has not been forthcoming. [post=30191]Quoted post[/post] Thanks for the details. I guess the Farago movie won't be coming out any time soon.
