<br />I have no doubt that someone in the MOD looked at the ITALY STAR ASSOCIATION which was mentioned in the Cassino celebration- then<br /><br />looked at the title of Ann's group which had agreed with the Abbey to have a service there - and OMG - they have been official<br /><br />once for Cassino- can't have that hence the veto….<br /><br />Ann's group title - Italy 1943-45 -AND - ITALY STAR MEMORIAL FUND………2 + 2 = 5<br /><br />Cheers
Frank<br />I may very well be classed as a bigot for stating truths about various others taking over what was the lands of my birth<br /><br />However I take refuge in History as I recall their other times when your friends tried to take over the world in the 1565/70 era<br /><br />and how they were sent back into Turkey for 400 years - so my point being both banned subjects of political and Religious views<br /><br />both BIG no no's in this forum...<br /><br />All I can do therefore is SUGGEST that you google for "The Battle of Le Panto " and realise that the winner in those times<br /><br />has been weakened since 1962/65 and can no longer fight off the same people with the same objective of taking over the world by the<br />bomb and the womb…..<br /><br />Cheer<br />
Tom Simply put: I still have no idea - from what's been put on here- how a veto by MoD is possible in a private matter. How did they come to be involved in a private arrangement? As it stands, I agree with Frank's summary of the matter. Perhaps you haven't noticed but there has been for some time a Current Affairs section under Barracks. The difficulty lies when such things crop up in wholly unrelated topics, and are presented in sweeping general terms. Specifically - the demographics of the UK today has nothing to do with the cancellation of a memorial service for the Italian campaign. and the friends Frank mentioned surely had nothing to do with something that happened centuries ago, anywhere. (Just as I had nothing to do with what people of my own religious background did during the Troubles.) Tom you and I have enjoyed banter before, but I believe you started this thread to discuss the memorial service and/or the way others not closely involved view the Italian campaign...?
Richard I am more than aware of the universal status of the 8th Army as it was F.M Smuts of South Africa who stated that 8th Army was the finest University that he knew with many nations personnel involved in it's make up… and one could only agree as they were alltrying to beat a common enemy which is a far cry from creating a " no go " area in another's country… Cheers
Tom, thanks for the concern about the UK but as you left years ago how about leaving it us who still live here to sort it out? Cheers.
Diane we have indeed enjoyed much good natured banter in the past and I am hopeful that we shall continue…..as I have stated earlier on that thread it appears to me that SOMEONE in the MoD has assumed that the outfit who gained a service in conjunction with the dean of the Abbey-was the same as that who were mentioned as being "official" at Cassino…..point is that the names are similar i.e Cassino = ITALY STAR ASSOCIATION….Abbey private service = Italy 1943/45 AND ITALY STAR MEMORIAL FUND….two different ball games …. Frank can have as many friends as he needs from whichever nation he chooses - all I am concerned with is that they are still following their ancient objective of world domination- if he is happy with "no go areas" in the UK then so be it but history should not be ignored- as the battle of the Boyne is recalled in Southern Ireland - but that is only 300 years ago… Cheers
Owen It does appear to anyone who left that you are not doing a very good job of looking after the country what with Sharia law creeping in - no go areas - now the alleged push to take over schools - and the thinking of religious holidays… But you do have a point and so I shall leave it to you to sort it all out - trusting that it won't be too bloody Cheers
The CWGC held what I suppose one would call an 'official' commemoration ceremony on 4 June 2014 at Rome War Cemetery: http://www.cwgc.org/news-events/news/2014/6/liberation-of-rome-commemorated-70-years-on.aspx "On 4 June 1944, Rome was liberated as the German forces withdrew from the city. There will be a commemoration ceremony at Rome War Cemetery at which the CWGC will unveil new visitor information panels. To enhance the information available to visitors to the cemetery, the CWGC has installed interactive Visitor Information Panels ahead of the anniversary. The panels at Rome are among 500 to be installed at CWGC locations worldwide and feature information about the site of the cemetery and a QR (Quick Response) code. When scanned with a smartphone, the QR Code provides access for further information including the personal stories of some of the casualties buried or commemorated there. Among the stories revealed at Rome is that of Flight Lieutenant Edward Arthur Hackshaw who lost his life during in a mid-air collision with another airplane whilst on a mission to target an airfield 15 miles east of Rome."
Tom. Do not believe all the hype. Britain is a very stable country and we have defeated malaria too. Regards Frank
Frank I am aware of much of the hype but some facts cannot be denied e.g friend of mine is a Catholic Priest on his way from his rectory in Preston to say Mass at Keighley when his phone rang - so he pulled over to answer it - and was almost immediately surrounded by a bunch of youths- thinking they needed his help he rolled down the window and asked if he could help them - to be told to move on as this is a Muslim area…. His caller was asked to call the police - who did NOTHING ….. a one off for sure but… Cheers PS - Owen asked that as I no longer live in the UK - I should leave it to those left to sort it all out - quite rightly however I do believe that I am NOT the only Veteran who wonders what has happened to the Uk in the past few years as this is NOT the place we fought for so long and hard...
Richard - if your "edit" indicates that you are now accepting my reasoning of the Veto by the MoD then I am pleased as that at least in one area I am correct - and possibly the others will stop jumping all over me for stating my mind… Cheers
Tom, I've got no particular insight into the reason for any possible MoD "veto" - my edit was in response to your clarifying comment: "Cassino = ITALY STAR ASSOCIATION….Abbey private service = Italy 1943/45 AND ITALY STAR MEMORIAL FUND.." so thanks for that and well spotted. I've got to admit that despite corresponding with Ann for a couple of years now, I had also mis-linked her project with the aforementioned ISA...doh.. best
Ropey I have to take it that you were aware of what the world was like to have moved on from that position-I do not consider the lowering of all moral aspects to be recognized as progress - the stealing of benefits by so called leaders of society setting the example for others - the common use of bad language to be upheld by those institutions which should know better - I fully expect some TV show in the not too distant future to have nude young ladies - and call it progress - meanwhile the adulation of bigger and better busts goes on - and same sex marriages are common over most of your advanced world - No thanks - next time you can go to war- if you consider that world worth fighting for… Cheers
Hello Tom, I understand both what you and Diane are saying about the memorial service, but I am left wondering 'how' the MOD could veto something that has nothing whatsoever to do with them and moreso, 'why' the Abbey didn't tell them where to get off. Anyway, a great shame. About Italy being a Cinderalla theatre compared to NW Europe, I watched quite a lot of the D-Day 'celebrations' and was stunned by the lack of mention/coverage of Gold beach. Juno got much, much more mention than Gold. I was left wondering if the British Army had only landed on Sword beach, as the only single mention of Gold beach I heard was in connection with 47 RM Commando landing there and going on to capture Port-en-Bessin; not only the boundary of the British and US Armies but where PLUTO was to emerge from the sea to provide fuel for the British, Canadian and US Armies. No mention of Stan Hollis VC; the only VC awarded on D-Day. Maybe I watched the wrong coverage but, to me, there is a lack of balanced reporting/coverage, as well of poor reporting/coverage. Cinderella had three ugly sisters, so maybe being 'Cinderella' isn't that bad... Best, Steve.
