Op Undergo Sept 44

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  1. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Help needed please...I am researching Op UNDERGO . I have been searching online for the war diaries of these regiments for September 1944 only but have had no luck. Does anybody have the PDF files or info.
    Regiment De La Chaudiere .....sept 44
    Royal Winnipeg Rifles ..........sept 44
    22nd Dragoons..........................sept 44
    Thank you. Steve.
     
  2. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

  3. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Hi Kevin,
    Fantastic thank you! Couldn't find these anywhere; Another piece of the puzzle sorted.
    My son and I were walking the battlefields last year in the footsteps of The Royal Winnipeg Rifles.
    This means a lot. Best Regards Steve.
     
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  4. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Wanted...Two things. 1. The war diary for September 1944 of the Queens own Rifles of Canada English version if at all pos 2. Map Calais defence over plan 1944 not the general map of the whole area but the area Cap blanc nez. Noirre Mottes and bellevue ridge to the west of calais town showing the code named positions..map would be in colour. With many thanks Steve.
     
  5. Tolbooth

    Tolbooth Well-Known Member

    Steve,

    Not sure if these are of any use - alas I have no idea where I found them. I'll have a look in the 79th AD history later which may have what you're looking for.
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  6. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Hi john. Brilliant thank you. I already had these from the canadian war diary files as small scale maps... BUT.. Because you sent me jpeg pics i can now BLOW them up so to speak !! Excellent cheers. The top one is the area i am researching the most . My son and i have been going to France for 17 years now, mainly photographing the Atlantic wall structures in black and white with a view to a book later. We used to wander this area a lot and love the ww2 history of September 1944 in the Pas De Calais. Is the map original and what is it;s full size/area please. Do you have the map that covers Cap Gris Nez to the west or more of this area.. I have seen your map with the code names of the defences marked on for the attack but can't find it anymore. I.E. the large horseshoe defence is called Apple. the rest are various fruit and veg to the west... I think artillery maps are the ones. Kind regards Steve.
     
  7. Tolbooth

    Tolbooth Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately I've no record now of where I got the images from, just a search of t'internet. I was looking at UNDERGO as my father's unit was operating with the Winnipeg Rifles. The Lothians WD contains the 7 Cdn Inf Bde operational orders which you probably have. No mention of fruit or veg though - the objectives all seem to be furniture. Chair, couch and sofa.
    P5540710 Sept 44 Regt WD App E22 Trace.JPG P5540711 Sept 44 Regt WD App E22 Trace P.JPG
     
  8. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Your father was with the Winnipegs in this operation ? The pictures for chair.couch etc are for the infantry and armour attacks on sept 25th. They are one and the same areas as the veg /fruit codes which i am sure were the R.C.A targets for the operation. As i'm sure you know the Winnipegs objective on this day was COUCH and then SEAT. ie vieux coquelles and coquelles then on to fort nieulay.
     
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  9. Tolbooth

    Tolbooth Well-Known Member

    Yes, the Lothians were supporting the Candians with Sherman flails. B Squadron, my dad's lot, were in action around Chateau Pigache and Coquelles. Here's their WD entry;
    P5540780 Sept 44 Regt WD App J24 (B Sqn WD, 24-30 Sept).JPG

    Also found the bombing plan which may be of interest.

    002 Op UNDERGO overlay (misplaced).JPG
     
  10. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Excellent thank you haven't got either of these. Wow that's great
     
  11. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Have you walked the battlefield in your fathers footsteps and if pos, any more details on your dad in this time frame. Do you have a copy of the war diary for september 44.
     
  12. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    I see from the diary page B sqd then went on to Cap Gris Nez ..Also an area of my research. They were with the Highland light Inf of Canada clearing a path to the lighthouse strong point then.
     
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  13. Tolbooth

    Tolbooth Well-Known Member

    Lothians September WD here

    Edit: Apologies the last few pages are missing. Will update the resource as soon as I can
     
  14. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    With many thanks .
     
  15. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Remembering the Canadians in Op Undergo 25th September at the time of this post were swarming over Cap blanc Nez, Noire Mottes and Belle Vue ridge in the battle to liberate Calais.
     
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  16. Educator

    Educator Junior Member

    Dear Steve

    I hate to say the obvious --but I assume you have read Mark Zuehlke's recent book on these operations Cinderella Campaign. This covers UNDERGO operation.

    I acted as a volunteer researcher in the UK for Mark when he was working on the book, I copied a large number of the various documents at Kew for him so I have a lot of material.

    I kept detailed records of where I obtained information for Mark. My records show that the 2 maps shown above of Calais can be found in

    WO 179 2974 - Stormont and Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders War Diary Contents. I suspect you can also find them on the British Library Map section website.

    I believe the QORC WD for September is available on the Wilfred Laurier website.

    Hope this helps.

    Educator 6
     
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  17. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Hi Educator. With many thanks for the post.I have Marks book and think it excellent.Thanks for the SDG Highlanders link will check it out . Haven't got the QORC diary so will look for this too. I have four box folders of info but always need more. Bet you had fun being involved with the book. All the best Steve.
     
  18. Steve Ann

    Steve Ann Member

    Educator. Struck out with both the leads you gave me. Could not find the SDGH war diary through the British lib map section and drew a blank at Wilfred Laurier. Please could you give me some more help . Regards Steve.
     

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