"Special relationship"? maybe not.!

Discussion in 'Top Secret' started by 51highland, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. 51highland

    51highland Very Senior Member

    Found this on a Forum that I occasionally visit at http://www.militarian.com/threads/the-brits.10033/#post-53485
    Makes you wonder why you try and help people with info at times.

    "The Brit's say they won wwII by cracking the German enigma code, The USA won that war and the poles broke the code first.
    Brits would be sprechen sie Deutsch if not for AMERICA, so eat you fish and chips and shut the f up!


    'Bletchley Park doesn't deserve all the code-cracking credit': Poles claim they worked out Enigma code FIRST
    · In 1932, a group of cryptologists from the Polish Cipher Bureau found three ways to decipher Enigma
    · Poles handed their findings to British and French intelligence in 1939

    · Polish government passes resolution in honor of their three code-cracking mathematicians"


    William Peterson, Aug 31, 2013
     
  2. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    51Highland

    I had a quick look at this gentleman's posting and realised (not for the first time) what an excellent, well balanced forum we have in ww2talk.

    Long may it so remain !

    Ron
     
  3. RemeDesertRat

    RemeDesertRat Very Senior Member

    Reminds me of the youtube video entitled "United States vs Germany at the Battle of Alamein" !! though to be fair he took it down when I pointed out what a numpty he was.
     
  4. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    To be fair the interweb is full of similar stuff from Brits, Russians, Poles, Indians and every other Allied nation who feels slighted that another country is taking credit for their efforts. The posters are either trolls, on a wind-up and/or the misinformed with a chip on their shoulders.

    Either respectfully put them right or ignore.

    Judging by the recent revelations, the NSA might also have made just as remarkable cryptological advances as Bletchley Park did - but don't think they are going to acquire quite the same acclaim as a result.
     
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  5. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    "Daily solutions of Fish messages at G. C. & C. S. reflect a
    background of British mathematical genius, superb engineering ability, and
    solid common sense."

    The Special Fish Report
    1st December 1944
    Albert W. Small
    Cryptanalyst
    U.S. Signal Corps
     
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  6. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Special relationship...I wonder what the interpretation is now on the Tizzard Mission to the US when in our hour of need,we disclosed all the up to date information we had on the development of radar and jet propulsion technology.


    As regards,the Enigma machine research,when Poland fell,we were fortunate that those involved in the task to break Enigma were able to escape to France and pass on the results of their work to the British and French.It has been recorded that the Poles had taken the task of breaking codes as far as they could.Nevertheless,the Polish work provided the foundation for Bletchley Park to make headway.

    But looking at the background to the Enigma machine,I think the Germans made a fundamental mistake of selecting a machine that had previously been used commercially in the 1920s by the Swiss banking system.Ultimately they paid the task of not starting from scratch and building up their own R&D.
     
  7. paspartoo

    paspartoo Junior Member

    Well yes that's true. Without US military and economic support the UK would have been unable to continue the war past 1941. As for the Enigma the story of how the Poles solved it and read messages is well known.
     
  8. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    51Highland s̶a̶i̶d̶ QUOTED

    (just to be clear for those who don't bother to read all the posts)
     
  9. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    not available at the moment but very interesting

    Horizon: Defeating The Hackers (9pm BBC2)
    We’ve had some pretty easy Horizons lately. Stuff That Cats Do. How To Look On The Bright Side Of Life. Nothing too taxing.
    But this week’s edition goes to the other extreme in a programme on computer hacking, encryption and cyber security.
    At the heart of the story is a report on the Stuxnet computer virus that was specifically targeted to break the machinery within Iran’s nuclear processing plants – putting back its nuclear programme by several years. Not the work of teenage boys, this was computer hacking at a government level – thought to be the US and Israel – although no country has yet claimed responsibility.
    From there we're plunged into the boggling world of computer code. There will be times when your brain freezes over as we’re told how quantum computing takes advantage of the fact that things can be in the same place at different times. Or how when you look at something you change it. Or how logging on in future might mean playing a tune on an electronic guitar that you don’t even realise you’ve learned because it’s been embedded in your subconscious muscle memory.
    These are pretty tough concepts to get your head around, but stick with it, because you’ll also meet a skateboarding scientist called Erik Lucero who has built a super computer that will one day be able to crack all the security codes we now rely on.
    “You do realise you’ve broken the Internet?” the interviewer tells him – the sole female voice in a film stuffed with male super boffins.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0391z20
     

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