three best commanders of world war two

Discussion in 'General' started by montgomery, Feb 24, 2006.

  1. montgomery

    montgomery Member

    First off General Benerard Montgomery then Patton then Rommal.
     
  2. Tyrulf

    Tyrulf Member

    montgomery and patton weren't good.. they had tons of resources
     
  3. plant-pilot

    plant-pilot Senior Member

    Surely you get commanders at all levels? But I take it you are looking at Corps or Army Commanders rather than Regiment or Brigade and even lower.
     
  4. Run N Gun

    Run N Gun Discharged

    1. Ike

    2.Rommel

    3.Patton
     
  5. Gnomey

    Gnomey World Travelling Doctor

    There is no way for sure to say who the best commanders of the war were as everyone was good and different things. There are also thousands if we look for a corps commanding upwards...

    Here are mine though although these probably should be classed as my favourites rather than the best as it is down to personal opinion.

    Kesselring
    Rommel
    Alexander
     
  6. Run N Gun

    Run N Gun Discharged

    Monty was a "rubbish" leader. I can't think of any good decisions on his part besides the north african campaign.
     
  7. Gnomey

    Gnomey World Travelling Doctor

    How about increasing the Normandy Landings from 3 beaches and 3 division to 5 beaches and 5 divisions plus 3 airborne divisions landing behind enemy lines...
     
  8. plant-pilot

    plant-pilot Senior Member

    How about increasing the Normandy Landings from 3 beaches and 3 division to 5 beaches and 5 divisions plus 3 airborne divisions landing behind enemy lines...
    Seems like that was a good idea to me.
     
  9. Glider

    Glider Senior Member

    Kesselring

    Slim

    Zhukov
     
  10. Run N Gun

    Run N Gun Discharged

    http://www.pattonuncovered.com/html/montgomery.html



    Monty did increase the landings but even Ike said that most of the fighting was left up to the Americans. You can even see clips of the british walking up off the beaches drinking tea and eating crumpits while our boys were having a hell of a time in Omaha.
     
  11. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    1) Patton
    2) Rommel
    3) Alexander
    ...
    1000) Ike

    Patton because he was aggressive and understood tactics as well or better than anyone. But more so because his understanding of the use of tactical air, something he understood because he was also a pilot.

    Rommel because his concern for his men, his guts to tell it like it was to Hitler, and his situation awareness.

    Ike, Brad, and Patton all believed that Alexander was a superb commander and better than Monty. They spoke of him as a peer but never spoke of Monty that way.

    Ike had his backbone surgically removed before the outset of the war and took a course on how to become incompetent which he aced.
     
  12. Run N Gun

    Run N Gun Discharged

    Well I'd rather have Ike construct campaigns that would end the war by christmas than monty.
     
  13. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    Kesselring, Manstein, Rommel
     
  14. Sepiraph

    Sepiraph Junior Member

    IMHO the top 3 (all at the general level, 2 of which attained Field Marshall-highest commanding level) are:

    Erich_von_Manstein
    Heinz_Guderian
    Erwin_Rommel

    In general, the strongest elements of the German army came from their commanding officer, which produced some of the finest military minds in those times.

    And actually I'm very surprised that so far no one mentioned either Guderian and Manstein.

    Guderian basically created the Panzer divisions that was so vital to the German's blitzkrieg tactics. As a tactical field commander of panzer division, IMO he was only matched by Rommel.

    As a commander, Manstein was a master at the strategic level, that is to say, differ than either Guderian or Rommel, who are masters at the tactical level. He was the mastermind behind the invasion of France through the Ardennes and performed admirably in the Eastern campaign against the Russian, despite the tremendous odds against him.

    As for the Allies commanders, no one from the British sides impressed me that much, for they did not seem to grasp the tactical change from WWI to WWII and were conservative in nature. Churchill was very impressive, and he out-performed Hilter by a large margin. However, he's not an army commander in the normal sense. As for the Americans, they were mostly untested in the European theatre as the war was already un-winable for German before D-day.

    Lastly, I confess in relative ignorance of the Pacific theatre, for I don't know enough to judge Admiral Yamamoto, who was the mastermind behind Pearl Habour, which is quite a amazing victory from a tactical standpoint. Also I have not done enough studies on the Russian officers, which had numerical and technological advantage after the victory at Stalingrad so it is hard to judge from that viewpoint.
     
  15. marko2te

    marko2te Junior Member

    Hi all, i agree with Manstein, Guderian and Rommel. From Norway to the end of the war germans fought againt superior oponnents and they won more than a few battles, they didnt have best tanks soldiers or aircrafts they had best commanders.

    Montgomery is very lousy commander he won against Rommel only when he had huge superiority, in Normandy he fought so lousy that Churchill had to
    stop Eisenhower from replacing him and not to mention his failed operation Market Garden
     
  16. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Marshal Slim

    Hermann Balck

    Von Manstein
     
  17. Steen Ammentorp

    Steen Ammentorp Senior Member

    I must admit that I am constantly surprised at these who were best/worst threads. What I find surprising is two things:

    First that people jumps into these threads comparing the commanders without wondering whether it is possible to compare them? Is it possible to establish some common criteria on which you can judge the generals and compare them? Personally I think not and I fully agree with Gnomey that this can be nothing more that a subjective listing of favourites.

    Secondly on how thin and rude analysis' people generally base their judgements. Not of course that I am expecting some kind of academic excellence here but more than this:

    Montgomery is very lousy commander he won against Rommel only when he had huge superiority, in Normandy he fought so lousy that Churchill had to
    stop Eisenhower from replacing him and not to mention his failed operation Market Garden
     
  18. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    Steen Ammentorp, We have 14yr olds to 83yr olds on this site. I appreciate what your saying but this gets the younger kids involved and interested in history. Short of setting up the little kids table, like at Thanksgiving. Try and take it easier on the youth so they are encouraged to participate.
     
  19. Exxley

    Exxley Senior Member

    Steen Ammentorp, We have 14yr olds to 83yr olds on this site. I appreciate what your saying but this gets the younger kids involved and interested in history. Short of setting up the little kids table, like at Thanksgiving. Try and take it easier on the youth so they are encouraged to participate.
    It depends what kind of place you want this forum to be. If you dont want a remake of the THC, then those kinds of unsubstantiated posts arent going to help.
     
  20. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Steen Ammentorp, We have 14yr olds to 83yr olds on this site. I appreciate what your saying but this gets the younger kids involved and interested in history. Short of setting up the little kids table, like at Thanksgiving. Try and take it easier on the youth so they are encouraged to participate.

    By Marko2te profile, he is over 21!!
     

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