Unknown Soldier (Airborne) CWGC/8/2/8/4/2/8

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by Mr Jinks, Apr 30, 2021.

  1. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Very much agreed Cee.

    Extracts below from an old (well known) source.

    Kind regards, always remember, never forget,

    Jim.

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  2. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    And, not withstanding the age of the Roll of Honour (above) or wanting to muddy the waters further but.....

    This unknown could be 5957181, Staff Sgt Alan White (last entry on page 18 above) maybe?

    If only I could make out the initials on those signet rings more clearly!

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     
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  3. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    The newer Roll of Honour has Picton and Higham first buried at the corner of Benendendorpsweg and Kneppelhoutweg
     
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  4. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Hello TD,

    In all my (many) years I've never come across any other than "walking wounded" who made it back across the river from the Oosterbeek perimeter.

    The remains of this unknown, interred in Jonkerbosch, must surely have been found within the vicinity of same/Nijmegen?

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     
  5. BrianHall1963

    BrianHall1963 Well-Known Member

    Hi Jim good work keep it up so many men still waiting to be found ,regards Brian
     
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  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I guess we are all saying we need a map showing where his glider landed/crashed and where his remains where found to give some sort of geography to the situation and from that possible answers may emerge

    TD
     
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  7. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Thanks for the update AB 64, much appreciated.

    It ties in with the location Cee provided for Sgts Higham, Picton, and seemingly most likely Sgt Woods too (in being North West of the Church).

    Far removed from Jonkerbosch vicinity.

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.

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  8. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Not that I have found yet . As mentioned earlier by Alistair its not the easiest site to navigate around .I will search again

    In relation to his final resting place at Jonkerbos we have to remember this body was buried 20 years afterwards in 1964. Following his recovery we dont know where he was taken presumably some medical facility and It would be interesting to know if the CWGC used Jonkerbos as a `dedicated or nominated` cemetery for later recoveries?

    Kyle
     
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  9. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Thanks Kyle, and I won't sit back on looking at CWGC either, I'll dig in to the website too (bladder and brain cells permitting!)

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     
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  10. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Well as of yet I have failed miserably in finding the location of where the remains in question were found and disinterred from in 1964.

    I think only with that location will we have any chance of finding out who this person was.

    Search Results

    Kind regards, always.

    Jim.
     
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  11. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member

    His remains would have been taken to a mortuary etc in 1964. Quite easy how he ended up in Jonkerbos
     
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  12. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Hello Jim,

    I too have been widening the search and have been speaking off forum with Jim (Verrieres) who by his own admission has little knowledge of airborne operations however during his DLI related enquires believes that somewhere online (he cannot recall where or when he saw this) he is sure he read an article which referred to " The remains of 5 fallen soldiers, found near the waterworks at Driel(?) Four of these had been identified one remained unidentified . (1964)"

    Whilst he urged caution as this may be unrelated ,I am thinking if this is related to the personal belongings then the identities of the identified 4 could give clues to the fifth ? Of course if could be a total coincidence depends how many `unknowns` were found in 1964

    Kyle
     
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  13. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Per above he remembers where he read it ! Its on Forum member Philip Reinders site!

    Recovery of bodies after the war.(Battle of Arnhem)- Newspaper clippings Netherlands

    Anyone read Dutch?


    Jonkerbos 19.J.1 contained an unknown airman reburied in 1961 and identified as Flt Lieutenant Paul Langston.
    Jonkerbos 19.J.4 contained L/Cpl C G Russell Intelligence Corps reburied December 1964 (not unknown reburied previously at Utrecht Roman Catholic Cemetery.)

    The concentration for the row is below

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    Kyle
     
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  14. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Well found Kyle, excellent work, thanks to you and Jim (Verriers) too.

    Given the 5 "unknowns" from the newspaper reports were discovered buried south of the river nr Driel the local protocols in the 60's must have determined their final resting place would be Jonkerbosch.

    Again, thanks for all your efforts with this.

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     
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  15. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

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  16. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    The only "RW" I can find from 156th listed on Groesbeek Memorial is Corporal Roland West (you would think he would have been badged with a Parachute Regiment cap badge though)

    Casualty Details | CWGC

    There are other "RW" initialed casualties with Airborne and Arnhem connections listed on The Groesbeek Memorial so the search continues.

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     
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  17. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I think its needs Philip to clarify the web link, it could be linking to a story about a 156 man the unidentified was found next to or something like that (if he was one of the Driel 5 one or more of the others may have been 156). A Para would normally have a Parachute Regiment badge but I think the 4th Parachute Brigade may have been slightly behind, who knows it may have been in his pocket, attached to something as a souvenir. The CWGC page seems to only give some tantalising info but hold back more than it reveals, like the where, also I assume there would be an exhumation report or something that details, height, hair colour, injuries etc and gave some context, like was it a field grave etc etc
     
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  18. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    How about this for an option ? Hopefully I can explain this :-

    Roy Oliver Wood married Kitty L A Simmonds in 1943 .In 1944 the couple had a daughter ;- Joan Wood


    View England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Roy O Wood
    Registration Date: Apr 1943
    [May 1943]
    [Jun 1943]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration District: Watford
    Inferred County: Hertfordshire
    Spouse: Kitty L A Simmonds
    Volume Number: 3a
    Page Number: 2892


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    Could of course be a coincidence?

    Kyle
     
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  19. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Gillian Wood Oct 1947 Oct-Nov-Dec Watford Hertfordshire

    Nigel Wood Apr 1950 Apr-May-Jun Watford Hertfordshire

    Both have a mother with maiden name Simmonds


    Joan Wood born 1943 - 1945 there are 63, but none are in Watford and none have a mother with maiden name Simmonds

    TD

    Apologises

    There is as you say1 in Glamorgan
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Joan Wood
    Registration Date: Jan 1944
    [Feb 1944]
    [Mar 1944]
    Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Registration District: E Glamorgan
    Inferred County: Wales
    Mother's Maiden Name: Simmonds
    Volume Number: 11a
    Page Number: 1228


    There are a couple of Joan Wood born 1942 - 1944 who show up on the Electoral Register

    UK, Electoral Registers, 2003-2010
    Name MS Joan M Wood
    Birth 1942-1944
    Residence 2003-2010 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales

    Swansea and Surrounding Area, Wales, Electoral Registers, 1839-1966
    Name Joan Wood
    Residence 1966 Glamorgan, Wales

    This would assume she didnt marry
     
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  20. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    In my haste to find a link to JOAN I may have sorted through the surname WOOD rather than WOODS :(

    Kyle
     
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