Vehicle Markings - Armoured Divisions

Discussion in 'Higher Formations' started by dbf, Jul 23, 2009.

  1. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Thanks Ron, I appreciate it.

    Adam, Paul, Owen or Gerard, if you want to split this tangent off into another thread, 'twill be alright with me. I was hesitant about dragging it off subject, but as Miguel often mentions about the quality of thread and it's being dragged off into left field...
     
  2. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Jeff is surely making allusion to Miguel de Unamuno's* Principle of Thread Onthology, which may be roughly summarised as:

    "A thread unworthy of being hijacked isn't
    worth of existence in the first place."



    * - him of the anti-"Viva la Muerte" speech (much better in the original Spanish (for once :p ))

    Per the criterium above this must be an uncommonally good thread, to be royally highjacked the way it has been :lol:
     
  3. englandphil

    englandphil Very Senior Member

    Most excellent chaps!

    Thanks M Kenny and Phil - exactly what I was looking for.
    Za thank you anyway for the offer; it looks like I won't need to prevail upon you.

    Glad that I was correct about "53"; really pleased to learn the others, so I can differentiate. This comes in very handy indeed. Am looking through film footage/pics - my Dad swears he saw himself on tank back in a TV documentary years ago and would really like to find something for him.

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    Di, do you have any idea where the footage was shot ?
     
  4. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

  5. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Be warned - there is an error in the Fortin 7th Armd Div table.

    After 29/07/44 the codes in 22 Armd Bde should be:
    51 - 5 DG
    52 - 1 R Tks
    53 - 5 R Tks

    Unit codes were properly allocated according to regiments' or battalions' positions in the 'order of precedence' - the regimental pecking order. 4 CLY, a Yeomanry regiment, were junior to the regular R Tks. They were replaced by 5 DG who, being proper cavalry, were senior to the R Tks and moved to the top of the pile.
    Unit codes for infantry battalions followed the same logic based on their former 'Umpteenth of Foot' titles.
     
  6. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    I often wonder about this. There was a bit of Regiment swapping and also replacement/repaired tanks could have come form another Unit. Did they really take the time to alter the markings to the standard of pre-June Britain?
    4th CLY seem not to have displayed any markings in 7th AD before they were amalgamated with 3rd CLy.
     
  7. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    I often wonder about this. There was a bit of Regiment swapping and also replacement/repaired tanks could have come form another Unit. Did they really take the time to alter the markings to the standard of pre-June Britain?
    4th CLY seem not to have displayed any markings in 7th AD before they were amalgamated with 3rd CLy.

    I'd agree No markings seems very common after D-day. I have seen markings overpainted with fresh olive drab. I suppose that no markings is better than incorrect markings. Couple that to the British and Canadian liking for piling everything including the kitchen sink onto their vehicles, markings if they are there at all, are quite often concealed.

    Two shots of the same tank. A Comet of 3 RTR of 11th Armd Div, May 1945.
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    They appear to show painted out Divisional and Unit serials.

    Edit: Hands up anyone who spotted the cuddly toy attached to the radio aerial of the Humber scout.
     
  8. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Did they really take the time to alter the markings to the standard of pre-June Britain?
    The theory is confirmed by a photo in 'Press On Regardless' of a B Sqn 5 R Tks Cromwell sporting a 53 code in Germany/Holland. How often it happened in practice is another matter...
     
  9. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    cheers MK, have you also got 4th Cdn Armd ?

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  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    One of our rather generous members sent me a disc with this on it.


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