War Establishments

Discussion in 'North Africa & the Med' started by DavidW, Feb 24, 2016.

  1. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    I've always assumed that the Copy No. on the actual WE table was filled in on tables sent to units, and the PRO staff utilised the space for their page numbers when filing them in WO24. That's what I used to use for online ordering, until they completely changed the system at least.

    Gary
     
  2. DavidW

    DavidW Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much guys.

    I know that I said that the 8th Army one would be the last one, but I was not expecting the HQ Cyrenaica Command. Would it be possible to have that one as well please.

    Kind Regards,
    David.
     
  3. Aixman

    Aixman War Establishment addict Patron

    VI/34C/1
    Headquarters, Cyrenaica Command
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  4. DavidW

    DavidW Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much once again!
     
  5. DavidW

    DavidW Well-Known Member

    Time to resurrect this thread to see if in the preceding 18months or so anyone has come up with any M.E.W.E for Commonwealth Infantry Division HQs?

    Thanks in advance.
    Kind Regards.
    David.
     
  6. Hi David,
    Recently I collected the WE of the Eighth army in 1943 which are attached here
    Regards
    Shams
     

    Attached Files:

  7. DavidW

    DavidW Well-Known Member

    Thanks.
     
  8. MarkN

    MarkN Banned

    Hello David

    Perhaps you would be so kind as to detail what steps you have taken over the past 18 months to gather this information yourself.

    Even if you came up empty handed, it would help others to know where not to look so as to avoid wasting time going over the very same ground and also coming up empty.
     
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  9. Neil W

    Neil W Member

    I'm looking for details of the War Establishments for late 1941 Light and Heavy Anti Aircraft Batteries and Regiments in North Africa - at the time of Crusader (Nov-Dec 1941).

    Thanks,

    Neil
     
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  10. Yes, the NZ ones are in wellington (I have seen 1941,43,44 & 45) is there a way to attach word doc as I have done some of these, pic are not that good.
    Hildaren
     
  11. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Hildaren,

    Welcome aboard. You can add docs, though not in Word, I convert docs to a PDF and it works.
     
  12. hi David.
    thank you, I have learned how to make PDFs, LOL
    Hildaren
     

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  13. DavidW

    DavidW Well-Known Member

    Thanks!
     
  14. last 3 2NZEF division HQ I have (thought I have a home defence and a 3rd Division one some were)
    Hildaren
     
  15. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    Hello Hill, you might recall we swapped emails on 2NZEF Div WEs a few years ago now? You also sent me copies of various of the NZ Home Defence WEs. I look to have them PDF'd so let me know if you're having trouble finding your original photos.

    Gary
     
  16. Hi Gary
    yep, I Rember it was when I had Dail up LOL, use to Wait a long time for 1 Picture, never found that NZ infantry Battalion you were looking for in wellington. there is a lot of
    WE file now down there. I'm going down there for 2 days in June. I have the Home Defiance some were, but you know how it is got over 6000 pages and didn't name some, files are a Mess.
    any NZ WE you are looking for at the Moment. I could see if I got them yet.
    Hill
     
  17. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    WO_204_7943_0234.JPG WO_204_7943_0235.JPG

    The above two pages are a list of 2NZEF war establishments held by 8th Army as of October 1943. While by no means a definitive list it does at least give something approximating an index of WEs issued by 2NZEF to that date. There were definite supersessions but it's at least a snapshot. The NZ WEs I've been gifted over the years include a few of the above and show some of the later versions -

    Armoured Regiments
    No.3 Nov42
    No.3/1 Dec42
    No.3/2 Aug43

    Divisional Cavalry Regiments
    No.1 Jun41
    No.1/1 Aug43
    No.1/2 Sep44

    Infantry Battalions
    No.28 Jun42
    No.28/1 Feb44
    No.28/2 MISSING
    No.28/3 Feb45

    Motor Battalions
    No.136 Dec42
    No.136/1 Jun44

    MG Battalions
    No.31 Aug41
    No.31/1 Aug43
    No.31/2 Sep44

    From the ones I've seen, the first raft of 2NZEF WEs were pretty much identical with the British equivalent, were they were based on on such. The 1944-45 issues though started to vary quite a bit in the few I've seen.

    My holdings don't include anything on the NZA, NZE, or Sigs, or any HQs, and if there were any around I'd be sure to be interested! I do recall at least sending an email to the archives in NZ but without even knowing the whereabouts of the relevant files it wasn't worth looking at hiring a researcher. As I've found in the past, 'time spent in reconnaissance is never wasted' applies just as much to research...

    Gary
     
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  18. Hi Gary
    I away from home for 2 days I have most if not all of them will start making pdfs and post when I get home
    Hill
     
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  19. hi Gary.
    I'll work my way through your WE list may take me a bit of Time.

    if the pictures are ok and I can find them then I will upload them instead of the word doc/pdf.
    New Zealand Headquarters armoured brigade 2NZEF 1942
     
  20. NZ Headquarters of Divisional Artillery 2NZEF 1943
    I don't seem to have this I only have a home Defence 1942; I have looked at the file. 2NZEF - War Establishments - Artillery - Field R20107577 1940 – 1946 in Wallington but pictures show base Artillery so file may have been mixed up, I'll have a look at it again next trip.
    from my notes at this time the Headquarters was 73 all ranks. my WE NZ 1942/2C/2 for home Defence in 1942 is only 29.
    Hill
     

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