HMS Sultan Singapore 1941 and 1942

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  1. Gilbert John Bowman

    Gilbert John Bowman Junior Member

    I am trying to locate as much information as possible about the fate of HMS Sultan leading up to the fall of Singapore in February 1942.

    In particular I am very interested in HMS Repulse survivor AB Leonard Thomas Webber, service number JX151854 who disappeared seemingly without trace and was declared dead 16 February 1942.

    Any assistance, in particular pointers towards naval records covering the fall of Singapore will be very much appreciate.

    Thank you.

    John Bowman
     
  2. Roy Martin

    Roy Martin Senior Member

    Welcome,

    HMS Sultan was the RN shore base at Singapore - if you do a Google search you will find quite a lot of information. There is also a FEPOW site that may be of help. Those survivors that weren't shipped out in December had to escape as best they could, many on merchant ships (some acting as naval reserves) that sailed up to 15 Feb 1942, many didn't make it. I have written a chapter about the Flight from Singapore, but while that would give you some background it won't help with your specific enquiry. See:
    Merchantmen in Action: Evacuations and Landings by Merchant Ships in the Second World War eBook: Roy V. Martin: Amazon.co.uk: Books

    It was not Britain's finest hour!

    Regards,

    Roy
     
  3. steve wastell

    steve wastell Junior Member

    i wondered if you had found out any more information concerning HMS Sultan ?

    Regards

    steve wastell
     
  4. nz63

    nz63 New Member

    I am trying to locate details of a Charles Leonard LOAR who was killed 16 Feb 1942 HMS Sultan SINGAPORE. I have found his name appears on the Memorial in Plymouth however little else.

    I am travelling to Singapore shortly and thought I would visit a memorial if there is one, however I have not been able to find anything on the net to date.

    I would appreciate any advice and help

    Thanks

    Matthew
     
  5. The Cooler King

    The Cooler King Elite Member

    I am interested in Stoker 2nd Class D/KX 134336 William Ball who died on 26th Feb 1942 (HMS Sultan)

    I presume that he was one of the unlucky ones who was left behind and had to fend for himself.
    Any info about his service of how he ended up would be of use please

    :D
     
  6. EmM

    EmM New Member

    Hi The Cooler King,

    I am in a similar situation, researching my great great Uncle who shares some of the same details. I have found a William Ball in the UK, British Army & Navy Birth/ Marriage/ Death records on Ancestry.co.uk - I don't know whether you have access to this but in case you haven't, I have (hopefully!) attached a copy of the record. It gives the date of death as 16th February 1942, place Singapore and cause of death as 'missing, death on war service presumed'. I'm pretty new to military history so I am fumbling my way through somewhat, but am happy to share anything I find out with you, if you'd like! My great great Uncle has the same DoD and cause, but the place is given as Banka Straits. I am really interested in finding out as much as possible about what it was like over there and how to interpret the information given on the military records. Hopefully I can help you out too! :)
    Emma
     

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  7. The Cooler King

    The Cooler King Elite Member

    Thanks EmM, Yes that's him............if I find out anything else then I will post.
     
  8. Roy Martin

    Roy Martin Senior Member

    This might give you a bit of the background.
    Roy
     

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  9. CAROLYN ETHERINGTON

    CAROLYN ETHERINGTON New Member

    Hi All,

    I am similarly searching for any info on what happened on 16th of February 1942 in Singapore.

    Found the grave of my missing person in Plymouth Naval Memorial
    NORMAN MANSFIELD LEONARD, Telegraphist Royal Navy (originally on HMS Prince of Wales) then HMS Sultan.
    D/SSX30203 - Date of Presumed Death: 16/02/1942 aged 20.
    Grave Panl 101, Column 3
    Son of Leonard Harry & Florence Mansfield of Hayes Middlesex.
    Missing presumed Killed.

    I now live in Singapore, and trying to find out what happened to survivors of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse bombings. I know for sure Norman was brought to Singapore alive after the bombing.

    Any information or where to look in Singapore for info appreciated. Maybe this will help others too.

    Carolyn
     
  10. CAROLYN ETHERINGTON

    CAROLYN ETHERINGTON New Member

  11. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Hi all,
    I am interested in finding alist of personnel for HMS Sultan for 1941/42. Also where can I find a definite .list of those missing presumed killed at Singapore?
    Can you suggest where to look? Thanks
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Royal Navy casualties, killed and died, December 1940

    10 February 1942
    MURPHY, Dennis F M, Ordinary Telegraphist, D/JX 162970, MPK

    12 February 1942
    REYNOLDS, Clyde, Ordinary Seaman, PA 2048 (RANR), MPK

    13 February 1942
    FARQUHAR, Walter G R, Able Seaman, D/JX 151791, (Sultan, O/P), MPK
    LAWSON, James H, Signalman, D/JX 225301, MPK
    PHIPPS, Graham, Able Seaman, D/JX 141554, MPK

    14 February 1942
    Singapore evacuation
    CARTWRIGHT, Cyril, Leading Seaman, D/JX 129039, MPK
    HALL, Bernard B, Ordinary Seaman, D/JX 161433, MPK
    HOWES, Frederick W, Able Seaman, D/J 94901, MPK
    HUNTLEY, Cecil, Act/Petty Officer, D/JX 130379, MPK
    MCCLURG, Hamilton, Able Seaman, D/JX 204773, MPK
    NEVILLE, Jack, Boy 1c, D/JX 171020, DOW
    POTTS, Stewart, Stoker 2c, D/SKX 942, MPK
    REEVES, Edwin J, Able Seaman, D/JX 127215, MPK
    SPARKS, Jack, Lieutenant, Malayan RNVR, killed
    TREWERN, Alfred, Engine Room Artificer 4c, D/MX 50022, MPK

    15 February 1942
    KELLY, William J B, Ordinary Seaman, P/JX 161309, (Sultan, O/P), MPK
    MALONE, Peter S, Able Seaman, RNVR, P/ESDX 1799, (Sultan, O/P), MPK
    MCEWEN, William H, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 262303, (Sultan, O/P), MPK

    Singapore evacuation
    BULLER, Darcy J A, Ordinary Seaman, B 3068 (RANR), MPK
    ELLIS, Jack, Able Seaman, D/JX 201765, MPK
    HEWSON, Leonard, Stoker 2c, D/KX 118096, MPK
    KEEN, Arthur H, Seaman, RNR, D/X 18248 A, MPK
    KIMBER, David J, Ordinary Telegraphist, 24378 (RAN), ex-HMAS Vampire, refitting at Singapore since 20 June 1941, apparently left behind when she departed, MPK
    MASON, Robert M, Able Seaman, 23577 (RAN), MPK
    MOGFORD, James, Yeoman of Signals, D/J 50177, MPK
    MURPHY, Henry F A, Stoker 2c, 2069 (RAN), MPK
    PORTEOUS, Maurice A, Act/Leading Stoker, 22456 (RAN), MPK

    16 February 1942
    ADAMS, Francis N V, Ty/Leading Cook, D/MX 53840, MPK
    AITKEN, James P, Ordinary Signalman, D/JX 237136, MPK
    ALFORD, Frederick J, Able Seaman, C/JX 183978, MPK
    ANDERSON, Archibald D, Marine, PLY/X 1565, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    ANDERSON, Walter, Stoker 2c, D/KX 115289, MPK
    ANDREWS, Joseph, Ty/Act/Leading Stoker, D/KX 91319, MPK
    BALCOMB, John W, Ordinary Seaman, P/JX 276534, MPK
    BALL, William, Stoker 2c, D/KX 134336, MPK
    BELL, James, Able Seaman, D/SSX 32827, MPK
    BIBBY, William, Able Seaman, D/JX 191946, MPK
    BINGHAM, Joseph, Ty/Act/Leading Seaman, D/SSX 24290, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    BLOHM, Robert H, Marine, PLY/X 100330, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    BOURNE, Cyril R, Able Seaman, D/JX 135848, MPK
    BOYD, David W, Marine, PLY/X 3052, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    BRAY, Stewart A, Ordinary Telegraphist, D/JX 160074, MPK
    BRIDGE, Wilfred, Ordinary Seaman, 2870 (NZD), MPK
    BROWN, Edward, Stoker 1c, D/KX 94793, MPK
    BROWN, Rowland, Able Seaman, D/SSX 18954, MPK
    BROWN, Thomas W, Ordinary Seaman, D/JX 161846, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    BURGESS, Joseph, Able Seaman, D/JX 213684, MPK
    BURKE, Edward, Ordinary Seaman, RNVR, D/MD/X 3139, MPK
    BUSHBY, Frederick J, Stoker 1c, P/KX 110913, MPK
    CLARK, William A, Petty Officer, C/J 108057, MPK
    CLARKE, Stanley O, Ordinary Coder, D/JX 230353, MPK
    CLARKE, William, Able Seaman, D/SSX 28907, MPK
    CLATWORTHY, John H, Boy 1c, D/JX 166597, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    COLE, Charles W, Cook, D/MX 61661, MPK
    COLLIER, Henry, Able Seaman, D/JX 191157, MPK
    CORBETT, Leslie R, Sick Berth Attendant, D/MX 63263, MPK
    CRAIGMYLE, Clarence F, Stoker 1c, D/KX 105845, MPK
    DAVIS, Sidney J, Marine, PLY/X 3902, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    DAY, George L, Stoker 1c, C/KX 99667, (ex-Mauritius)), MPK
    DEELEY, Archibald, Able Seaman, D/SSX 32767, MPK
    DERRY, John, Stoker 2c, D/KX 134883, MPK
    DIXON, Robert A, Engine Room Artificer 5c, P/MX 79008, MPK
    DOUGLAS, R (initial only) H, Ty/Paymaster Sub Lieutenant, RNVR, killed
    DOYLE, George D McB, Able Seaman, RNVR, P/X 1645, (ex-Danae), MPK
    ELVERSON, William D B, Stoker Petty Officer, P/K 55342, (ex-Danae), MPK
    EVANS, Thomas J, Stoker 1c, P/KX 103624, MPK
    EVANS, Trevor, Able Seaman, D/SSX 35728, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    EVELEIGH, Trevor J, Signalman, D/JX 140354, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    FIDLER, Ronald, Ordinary Seaman, P/JX 274034, MPK
    FORAN, Michael J, Boy 1c, D/JX 184638, MPK
    FRESHWATER, Ernest D, Boy 1c, D/JX 177251, MPK
    GALE, Richard W, Act/Able Seaman, P/SSX 32247, MPK
    GEE, Ernest, Able Seaman, D/JX 221179, MPK
    GIBBONS, Thomas W, Marine, PLY/X 100144, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    GRILLS, Gordon F J, Boy 2c, D/JX 166584, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    GROVE, Jack B, Petty Officer Steward, C/LX 20419, MPK
    HANBURY, Alfred W, Ordinary Seaman, 3631 (NZD), MPK
    HANNAH, Jamesq B, Able Seaman, D/JX 114595, MPK
    HANNAN, James B, Able Seaman, D/JX 114595, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    HARDING, Cyril, Ty/Act/Boatswain, killed
    HARRY, Ernest D, Marine, PLY/X 3051, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    HAWTREY, Roger, Lieutenant (Sp Br), Malayan RNVR, killed
    HEALY, Thomas, Stoker 1c, D/KX 105123, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    HEMPHILL, James, Stoker, C/KX 114549, (ex-Mauritius), MPK
    HIGHTON, Frank W, Act/Engine Room Artificer 4c, C/MX 77166, MPK
    HILL, William P, Ordinary Seaman, D/JX 163542, MPK
    HINDE, Jacob, Stoker 2c, D/KX 118400, MPK
    HIRONS, Lewis E S, Able Seaman, D/J 88013, MPK
    HOLLAND, Arnold, Marine, PLY/X 2119, DOW
    HOLLINGSHEAD, Wilfred, Engine Room Artificer 4c, D/MX 54968, MPK
    HOWSON, William P, Ty/Act/Stoker Petty Officer, D/KX 82020, MPK
    JAMES, Charles F, Stoker 2c, D/KX 121124, MPK
    JEFFREYS, Leslie D, Ordinary Coder, D/JX 220028, MPK
    JENKIN, Leonard M, Ty/Act/Stoker Petty Officer, D/KX 84303, MPK
    JONES, William I, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 279368, MPK
    KEMPSON, Eric J, Ty/Act/Lieutenant, RNVR, missing
    KIRK, Harry, Boy 1c, D/JX 180658, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    LAING, George, Ship's Cook, T.124 X, MPK
    LANNEN, Thomas J, Stoker 1c, D/KX 94603, MPK
    LEAVER, Francis S, Marine, PLY/X 2492, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    LEYBOURN, Lawrence C L, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 248351, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    LIGHTFOOT, Norman, Marine, PLY/X 100429, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    LOAR, Charles L, Boy 1c, D/JX 180525, MPK
    MALONE, Francis, Cook, C/MX 57910, MPK
    MANNING, Peter, Able Seaman, D/JX 213548, MPK
    MANSFIELD, Norman L, Ordinary Telegraphist, D/SSX 40203, MPK
    MARKS, Thomas L, Act/Cook, 3088 (NZD), MPK
    MARTIN, Robert, Act/Engine Room Artificer 4c, D/MX 61954, MPK
    MCDONALD, Donald, Seaman, RNR, D/X 9594 B, MPK
    MCKILLEN, Robert, Corporal, RM, PLY/X 1456, MPK
    MCNAMARA, Francis F, Marine, PLY/X 100129, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    MILES, Frank, Ty/Act/Leading Seaman, D/JX 136904, MPK
    MILLAR, George, Ordinary Seaman, D/JX 200507, MPK
    MILLAR, Robert R, Boy 1c, D/JX 170164, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    MILLER, Frederick J, Able Seaman, D/JX 213495, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    MILLER, Peter, Seaman, RNR, C/X 21375 A, MPK
    MORRISON, Peter, Stoker 1c, P/KX 77279, MPK
    MOXOM, Jack H, Act/Engine Room Artificer 4c, D/MX 53132, MPK
    NELSON, Leonard, Ordinary Seaman, P/JX 162048, MPK
    NETHERCOT, Fred, Able Seaman, C/SSX 28535, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    NORMAND, William A, Act/Air Artificer 4c, FAA/FX 76080, MPK
    O'CONNOR, Leonard, Able Seaman, D/SSX 19747, MPK
    O'DONNELL, Sean C, Boy 1c, D/JX 171801, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    O'REILLY, Francis L, Stoker 2c, D/KX 136641, MPK
    OVENDEN, Bernard V W, Act/Petty Officer, D/JX 132228, MPK
    OWEN, John, Act/Leading Seaman, D/J 91965, MPK
    PALMER, Arthur D J, Able Seaman, D/SSX 35740, MPK
    PARKHOUSE, John, Able Seaman, D/JX 128799, MPK
    PARTINGTON, John G, Act/Engine Room Artificer 4c, C/MX 77165, MPK
    PASSMORE, George W H, Marine, PLY/X 871, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    PASSMORE, Leslie S, Able Seaman, D/SSX 28036, MPK
    PEARCE, Gilbert F, Able Seaman, D/JX 206321, MPK
    PERRY, Douglas, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 260388, MPK
    PERRY, Percival E, Act/Stoker Petty Officer, D/KX 83200, MPK
    PERRY, Thomas L, Able Seaman, RNVR, D/MD/X 1153, MPK
    PITCHER, Norman J, Able Seaman, P/JX 157473, MPK
    PRINCE, Edward C, Able Seaman, D/J 110546, MPK
    QUINTRELL, Alfred L, Stoker 1c, D/JX 219933, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    RATCLIFFE, Ernest, Able Seaman, D/JX 171376, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    RAWLINS, Leonard C F, Signalman, P/JX 213154, MPK
    RAWLINSON, Frederick W, Stoker 2c, D/KX 99116, MPK
    REYNOLDS, Clifford B, Able Seaman, D/SSX 20595, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    RICKARD, Martin H F, Able Seaman, C/JX 143308, MPK
    ROAN, Ronald W, Able Seaman, D/JX 153928, MPK
    ROBB, David, Cook, D/MX 60735, MPK
    ROBERTS, George, Ty/Act/Leading Seaman, D/JX 154373, MPK
    ROBINSON, Harold, Ordinary Seaman, D/JX 219060, MPK
    ROGERS, Albert M, Marine, PLY/X 100021, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    ROWE, Cyril J, Chief Engine Room Artificer, D/MX 52952, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    ROY, Peter, Marine, PLY/X 100017, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    SAIGER, Thomas, Able Seaman, C/JX 160249, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    SALTER, Stanley J, Petty Officer, P/J 34797, MPK
    SANDERSON, John D L, Able Seaman, D/SSX 15376, MPK
    SCHOFIELD, Harry M, Able Seaman, P/SSX 22989, MPK
    SCOTT, John, Able Seaman, D/SSX 26856, MPK
    SHAW, Frederick, Stoker 2c, D/KX 122348, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    SIVEWRIGHT, Thomas, Stoker 2c, C/KX 115050, MPK
    SKINNER, James, Sergeant, RM, PLY/X 1020, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    SLEIGHTHOLME, Thomas, Motor Mechanic, P/MX 68301, MPK
    SMELLIE, Robert, Engine Room Artificer 4c, D/SMX 276, MPK
    SMITH, Arthur, Stoker 2c, D/KX 122347, MPK
    SMITH, Claude A, Lieutenant Commander, killed
    SMITH, Frederick C, Ordinary Seaman, D/JX 203253, MPK
    STANFORD, Raymond D, Marine, PLY/X 3805, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    STOCKMAN, Reginald C, Engine Room Artificer 2c, D/MX 48354, MPK
    STOCKS, Charles W, Able Seaman, D/SSX 20610, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    STONIER, George, Stoker 1c, C/KX 107391, MPK
    TATE, Charles R, Able Seaman, A 1770 (NZD), MPK
    THOMPSON, Robert J, Stoker 1c, D/KX 102930, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    THOMSON, George, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 260371, MPK
    TODD, Arthur J, Stoker 2c, D/KX 128285, MPK
    TREVARTHEN, George, Wireman, D/MX 62523, MPK
    TRINEMAN, Lionel P, Ty/Act/Ty/Leading Seaman, D/JX 152570, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    UPTON, William, Able Seaman, D/JX 238807, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    WALLACE, Thomas, Marine, PLY/X 100720, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    WALTON, Albert E, Stoker 1c, RFR, P/K 55514, MPK
    WEBBER, Leonard T, Able Seaman, D/JX 151854, MPK
    WEST, Herbert, Ordinary Seaman, P/JX 276408, MPK
    WESTERN, George E, Marine, PLY/X 1976, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    WHITWORTH, Henry, Ordinary Seaman, P/JX 161259, MPK
    WHYTE, J (initial only) S, Ty/Lieutenant, RNR, killed
    WICKS, Colin H, Ordinary Seaman, 3075 (NZD), MPK
    WILLIAMS, Richard H, Ty/Lieutenant, RNR, killed
    WILLIAMS, Stanley, Marine, PLY/X 100178, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK
    WILLIAMSON, David, Engine Room Artificer 4c, P/MX 79490, MPK
    WISEMAN, George R, Ty/Lieutenant, RNR, killed
    YOUNG, Oswald L, Petty Officer, D/SSX 32924, (ex-Repulse), MPK
    YOUNG, Robert A V, Marine, PLY/X 2214, (ex-Prince of Wales), MPK


    17 February 1942
    WAKEFORD, Stanley C, Able Seaman, P/JX 173974, MPK

    19 February 1942
    as POW
    BROWN, Cyril C J, Marine, PLY/X 2584, died

    22 February 1942
    as POW
    LOCKE, Owen T D, Marine, PLY/X 101541, (ex-Repulse), died
    TUCKER, James, Act/Petty Officer, D/JX 126466, (ex-Repulse), MPK

    26 February 1942
    ABRAHAMS, Thomas H, Leading Sick Berth Attendant, D/MX 49905, MPK

    27 February 1942
    COLLINS, Horace R D, Stores Petty Officer, P/MX 58592, (Sultan, O/P), MPK
    HURST, Eric, Ordinary Telegraphist, P/JX 192997, (Sultan, O/P), MPK
    SUTTON, Walter H, Act/Yeoman of Signals, D/JX 129177, (Sultan, O/P), MPK

    FOWLER, Albert J, Leading Telegraphist (Pens), C/J 40443, (Sultan, O/P), MPK


    28 February 1942
    FENTON-LIVINGSTONE, Robert G, Lieutenant Commander, Rtd, missing

    TD
     
  13. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Hi Tricky Dicky,

    Many thanks for that list it is much appreciated. I am curious to know if personnel that were listed MPK ever had that status updated? One entry intrigues me - BURKE, Edward, Ordinary Seaman, RNVR, D/MD/X 3139, MPK - How can I find out if his death was confirmed. where he was born etc? He may be my missing link in my search
     
  14. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Like others on this thread I am interested in the Fall of Singapore. My father in law appeared at Singapore just in time to escape successfully. I think he may have been there under an assumed name. Any suggestions how I might trace him?
     
  15. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Daisy

    As his CWGC details refer only to the Plymouth Naval Memorial one can conclude that his body was never found.

    BURKE, EDWARD
    Rank:Ordinary Seaman
    Service No D/MD/X 3139
    Date of Death:16/02/1942
    Regiment/Service:Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve H.M.S. Sultan.
    Panel Reference: Panel 77, Column 1. Memorial:PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL

    It would be worth you contacting CWGC and ask them for their policy re confirmation or not of death - link to their site - Find War Dead

    If you are looking for someone who is under an assumed name then I guess you would need to know that name unless there are other details that might result in finding them, e.g for CWGC details, parents names, wifes name, etc etc

    TD
     
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  16. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Thanks Tricky Dicky,
    I think with the service number I might be able to find more details in the PRO
     
  17. Clem

    Clem New Member

    Thanks for that list. My uncle, Able Seaman Trevor Evans, is on it.
     
  18. John Webb

    John Webb New Member

    HI I have just started researching my Great Uncle and note he is listed as a casualty from The Prince of Wales.

    His details are:

    TUCKER, James, Act/Petty Officer, D/JX 126466, (ex-Repulse), MPK

    What do all the letters and numbers mean after his name and how can I use them to find out more info about his Naval career.

    Thanks in advance

    John

     
  19. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi John

    Welcome - I'm not naval, but I will contact a member who is -

    D/JX 126466 - is his service number, the D represents the location where he 'enlisted' but I'm not sure where that is

    MPK = missing presume killed

    TD
     
  20. John Webb

    John Webb New Member

    Thanks so much. What you have provided so far is very useful.

    I would be grateful if your naval contacts can help me further.

    Best wishes

    John

     

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