Sudan Defence Forces

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  1. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    Could anybody give me a hint to literature regarding the Sudan Defence Force? Main period of interest would be late 1941 and 1942....
     
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I'd guess you'd already been to the NZETC Kuno, but I'll add the link anyway as it looks like good stuff (as ever) :
    New Zealand Electronic Text Centre
    Your search for "Sudan Defence Force" found 6 results. Showing results 1 to 6
     
  3. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    ...I am looking more for the 350 pages 1500 photos overall book about the SDF ;-)
     
  4. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    Anybody an idea who & what was "Kaid Karthoum"?
     
  5. handtohand22

    handtohand22 Senior Member

  6. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    I came to this after some Inet-research:

    During the Condominium in the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, after 1910, the Governor General presided over an executive council, which included the Inspector General, the civil, legal, and financial secretaries,the General Officer Commanding the Troops (The Kaid) and two to four other British officials appointed by the governor general.
     
  7. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Anybody an idea who & what was "Kaid Karthoum"?


    On this site

    The Sudan Defence Force | The Melik Society

    there is a paragraph which refers to a Kaid as a GOC (General Officer Commanding???)
    QUOTE
    `Thus in January 1925, the Sudan Defence Force (also known as the SDF) was formed and about one hundred and forty British officers were transferred to it from the Egyptian Army under the first Kaid (GOC), Lewa Huddleston Pasha, who had been Acting Sirdar of the Egyptian Army following the assassination of Stack (see above). A small number of British officers under an Inspector-General, Lewa Spinks Pasha, remained with the Egyptian Army in a largely supervisory role until 1936`


    Verrieres
     
  8. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    Most appreciated link. I wonder why the SDF does not get more attention - mainly in regard to the Desert Campaign of WW2! They would really have deserved it!!!
     
  9. handtohand22

    handtohand22 Senior Member

    Sudanese Camel Corps


    "When we operated along the Suez Canal we came into contact with the Sudanese Camel Corps. The Battery always had a high opinion of the Sudanese Camel Corps. They were good soldiers, always well turned out in smart uniforms.

    All their orders were given out in English, although they did not speak English themselves. Even the camels responded to orders given in the English language. We got on well with the Sudanese Sergeant Major in charge of the Camel Corps operating in our area. He carried an English phrase book and constantly engaged us in conversations about our life style and home life.

    The primary task of the Camel Corps was to prevent hashish smuggling along the Red Sea coast. The Corps patrolled the Eastern Desert from our location at Port Suez and down south along the Red Sea coast line". (Robin Martin, 2004)

    "The camels might have understood the orders in English, but that did not mean they obeyed them. They were huge white racing camels that did not behave very well in the mornings. It was always comical watching the handlers trying to catch the camels in the morning to mount up. The camels would take off at a gallop. On many occasions they would wreck our marquees in their haste to escape their handlers." (Norman Irwin, 2004)

    from The Coleraine Battery, 2006
     

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  10. von Poop

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  11. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    Good one - I shall get it soon ;-)
     
  12. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    At TNA Kew in the FO & WO Series

    FO 371/53361 [​IMG]Sudan Defence Force: recruitment of regular British officers. Code 16 File 125 1946
    FO 371/27472 [​IMG]Defence of the Sudan - Sudan Defence Force - service under foreign officers of United Kingdom naval, military and air force personnel in Sudan - disarmament of tribes in Kassala area - Sudan Resources Board - Sudan's contribution to defence of the Empire. 1941
    FO 371/31581 [​IMG]Sudan Defence Force. Code 16 file 123 1942
    FO 371/35574 [​IMG]Sudan Defence Force. Code 16 file 19 (to paper 1454) 1943
    FO 371/35575 [​IMG]Sudan Defence Force. Code 16 file 19 (papers 1522 - end) 1943
    FO 371/41349 [​IMG]Sudan Defence Force. Code 16 file 65 1944
    FO 371/41403 [​IMG]Sudan Defence Force: possible use in Burma. Code 16 file 1053 1944
    FO 371/45993 [​IMG]Sudan Defence Force. Code 16 File 203 1945
    FO 371/46108 [​IMG]Affray between Ethiopians and Sudan Defence Force. Code 1 File 3098 1945
    FO 1015/141 [​IMG]Report of a court of inquiry convened to investigate disturbances between members of the Sudan Defence Force and Eritrean civilians in Asmara occurring at various dates between 1943 and 1946 1946
    WO 32/10120 [​IMG]OVERSEAS: Sudan (Code 0(AJ)): Sudan Defence Force: secondment of British personnel 1943-1953
    WO 32/10120 [​IMG]OVERSEAS: Abyssinia (Code 0(AK)): Sudan Defence Force: secondment of British personnel 1943-1953
    WO 32/10180 [​IMG]OVERSEAS: Far East (Code 0(A/T)): Sudan Defence Force Ordinance 1942-1950
    WO 201/308 [​IMG]Abyssinia: Guerilla warfare in the Gojjam by Major W[illiam] A B Harris M C (Frontier Battalion, Sudan Defence Force). A photoprint of this can also be found with other records in CAB 106/944. 1941
    WO 201/314 [​IMG]Sudan defence force: copy of report from Military Attache Cairo to U.S.A. on organisation and finance 1942 Sept.
    WO 261/220 [​IMG]No. 2 Sudan Defence Force Infantry Brigade 1946 Oct.-Dec.
    WO 261/537 [​IMG]3 (Frontier) Bn. Sudan Defence Force 1946 July - Sept.
    WO 261/538 [​IMG]7 (Nuba) Bn. Sudan Defence Force 1946 July - Sept.
     
  13. Warlord

    Warlord Veteran wannabe

    Mate, have you tried this one?

    Tales Sudan Defence Force - AbeBooks

    Ludicrously expensive job, but at least it's a title (and its companion volume too) to go bargain-hunting for... ;)
     
  14. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

  15. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    Re my Bookfinder posting above - Be carefull of anything published by LCC I believe they are just printouts of web gathered information from Wikipedia, TNA Searches etc

    Steven
     
  16. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    Re my Bookfinder posting above - Be carefull of anything published by LCC I believe they are just printouts of web gathered information from Wikipedia, TNA Searches etc

    Steven


    That's right! It was the worst thing I ever bought...
     
  17. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Well you'll be pleased to know that 'The Tales' are well worth getting. ;)

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  18. Alanlweeks

    Alanlweeks Member

    Could anybody give me a hint to literature regarding the Sudan Defence Force? Main period of interest would be late 1941 and 1942....

    There is a book in two volumes by John Orlebar. Appeared on eBay not so long ago.

    The story of the Sudan Defence Force

    John Orlebar (Author)

    There is a good Sudan Archive at the university of Durham. You can search in their catalogue here. I got 54 hits for Sudan Defence Force (including the author above). Some documents are online but most you have to go there and look at. I spent an enjoyable morning there last year.

    One of the entries is:

    Sudan Defence Force [​IMG]Provenance: Presented by Mr H.G. Keown-BoydSAD.105/81/1-7
    2008
    List of officers of the [​IMG]Sudan Defence Force [​IMG], 1925-1955 with names of regiments and dates of service, where known. Compiled by H.G. Keown-Boyd.



    Alan
     
  19. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    Thanks, Alan. I have obtained some of the documents from Durham since there were hints to Operation Salam (my next book ;-)). I became aware that the papers they hold are actually a part of the content of Orlebar's book (word by word...).
     
  20. Alanlweeks

    Alanlweeks Member

    Re the SDF would you by any chance have any info on Robert Henry Walsh? He was Commander Eastern Arab Corps from 1925 to 1929 I believe (OBE 1931). Had been an ADC in Sudan prior to that from 1920 and before that in the Egyptian Army.

    He accompanied the Duke & Duchess of York round the Sudan in 1925 with the chap I'm researching, Courtney Brocklehurst.

    Thanks.

    Alan
     

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